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The problem with x86 is chip complexity and power draw. The reason why ARM are so much more efficient is because chips are simpler and lack a lot of the instructions built into x86/64 chips. That doesn't mean it won't get that complex, but it will be a different architecture as Ubuntu make a move into the mobile section. Intel do have much to fear especially with the advent of 'apps' and ATOM being a horrible CPU.

The other problem Intel have never been able to overcome is their inability to make a decent GPU. They can make amazing CPU's but Larrabee was a total failure and their iGPU's are inadequate the least to say, let's not even talk about their drivers.

Anandtech demonstrated Intel's Atom (I think) nearly matching the Cortex A15 in power consumption: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/7


As for Intel's GPU, as long as their marketing can continue to emphasize the importance of CPU computing power and claim "It's sufficient for movies!", I think Intel can get away with their weak GPU, until AMD's HSA takes off.

Then Intel would have to increase CPU performance to more than 15% per tick-tock to keep up, if they continue to refuse to adopt HSA and significantly improve their GPU.
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Anandtech demonstrated Intel's Atom (I think) nearly matching the Cortex A15 in power consumption: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/7


As for Intel's GPU, as long as their marketing can continue to emphasize the importance of CPU computing power and claim "It's sufficient for movies!", I think Intel can get away with their weak GPU, until AMD's HSA takes off.

Then Intel would have to increase CPU performance to more than 15% per tick-tock to keep up, if they continue to refuse to adopt HSA and significantly improve their GPU.

Intel can't get HSA, because of AMD, ARM, Qualcomm, etc... I think it would be a breach of something and if they do then they will need to admit that its AMD's, ARM's, Qualcomms technology to their buyes and AMD and its partners would profit considerably.
post #23 of 25
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Intel can't get HSA, because of AMD, ARM, Qualcomm, etc... I think it would be a breach of something and if they do then they will need to admit that its AMD's, ARM's, Qualcomms technology to their buyes and AMD and its partners would profit considerably.

You mean just like Intel can't get x86-64 back in the day? History have shown that Intel can get AMD tech use it better than AMD does.
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You mean just like Intel can't get x86-64 back in the day? History have shown that Intel can get AMD tech use it better than AMD does.

AMD 64 is an instruction set so why don't you provide proof of this claim of yours.
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Anandtech demonstrated Intel's Atom (I think) nearly matching the Cortex A15 in power consumption: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/7


As for Intel's GPU, as long as their marketing can continue to emphasize the importance of CPU computing power and claim "It's sufficient for movies!", I think Intel can get away with their weak GPU, until AMD's HSA takes off.

Then Intel would have to increase CPU performance to more than 15% per tick-tock to keep up, if they continue to refuse to adopt HSA and significantly improve their GPU.

Atoms have had a lot of the instructions and technologies removed, which was evident by the terrible performance of their non-OoO chips. There is no way any ARM or Atom CPU can compete with any of the far more complex chips.
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