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I heard that a long time ago they had these things called demos and you could play these demos to experience a short excerpt of the game. I don't know if it's true though.

Except this is better in many ways because it is impossible to do what say Aliens Colonial Marines did and provide a demo which really isn't representative of the final product. This system will allow people to play the game as its being developed and hopefully thereby influence its development as well.
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I'm not sure why people are acting like this is something new though tongue.gif. Many games have done it over the past year or two.

One downside is it really blurs the line between playing an unfinished game and playing a finished one. Minecraft is the best example of this- I would say minecraft was essentially a finished, playable game before it entered beta. Also tons of people bought it then to play as a game, not to test out a beta.

In fact I'm not sure if I've even played the "release" version of minecraft... I played it out before then. Is it really a good thing for a game to have a notable portion of the player base done with the game before it would have been out?
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Paid beta access? I'll pass thank you.
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Paid beta access? I'll pass thank you.

To counter my own point against this, why not? So far they've always offered the beta access for cheaper then the full game, and you get the full game when it comes out too.
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You mean, like GAME has always done, giving you the retail box one day before the official launch?
   
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I heard that a long time ago they had these things called demos and you could play these demos to experience a short excerpt of the game. I don't know if it's true though.

 

They still exist on the PC, they're just not advertised as well.

 

Most of the indies do it in some way, if not through steam, then through a version on their site.

 

Some of the AAA's do it as well. Batman AC & XCOM EU are standouts from 2012. Torchlight II, Rayman Origins, Orcs Must Die! 2, & Nexuiz being some of the AA titles of 2012 that did so as well. 

 

It's not uncommon; you just don't hear about them anymore. More so since we have so many "betas" & "alphas" before games are released, that they act more like Demo's now, then actual cuts of gameplay do.

Crysis 3 being a brilliant example of that from 2013, it's MP Alpha was no more then a demo of the multiplayer & game mechanics before the release of the title.

 

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Paid beta access? I'll pass thank you.

 

This is essentially a "Kick-finish" type model, built into Steam.

 

Since most Kickstarter games, don't actually get started there, but finished. Which Steam & other digital distribution services are more appropriate for.

Kickstarter really should be used to bring out new, innovative ideas & bring back old complex ideas lost to modern publishing habits.

 

I will say, the games I did "Kickfinish" like Forge, Ravaged, AirBuccaneers, & Chivalry all came out as expected. Even if I only put 16-20 hours into each of those games (between beta & release stages.)

There were some mixed titles in that "kickfinish" bucket like Strike Suit Zero; I wasn't unhappy about the money spent on those projects. Even if SSZ was my worst investment at $50.

 

While Steam doesn't need to be the dominant digital distribution hub online, they're definitely one of the few paving the way for gamers & developers to be more connected on a personal level. Allowing gamers to share their ideas and put the money where their respective mouths are at; but also being a hub to hold these companies accountable.

 

A big downside to Kickstarter can be seen that if a game doesn't release; you won't get your cash back. On the other hand, Steam could definitely hand your cash back if the studio goes under and you don't get a game out of it. Even if you did help financially supporting the product.

 

Though I doubt that last part will be "painless" it's still a bit more insurance on your end.

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Star Citizen...release on steam please.

personally would rather that one completely DRM free ay
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personally would rather that one completely DRM free ay

 

While Steam as a service, is based around DRM; it's not exactly invasive. 

 

I also have to say that I would much prefer Steam as the update portal to a game, instead of the awful Adobe AIR based updaters/launch pads. They're almost worse than Steam DRM in the issues they cause. 

 

On the other hand, I completely see where you're coming from. 

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A big downside to Kickstarter can be seen that if a game doesn't release; you won't get your cash back. On the other hand, Steam could definitely hand your cash back if the studio goes under and you don't get a game out of it. Even if you did help financially supporting the product.

 

Though I doubt that last part will be "painless" it's still a bit more insurance on your end.

 

The way the current model is implemented, you would unlikely get your money back from Steam because you're not paying for the final game but for the game in it's current state. Arma 3 is a great example of this. You're actually paying for the Alpha, not a Pre-Purchase. So if the game was to go under for whatever reason, you would be fighting an uphill battle to get that money back on the grounds that you didn't get your finished copy.

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The way the current model is implemented, you would unlikely get your money back from Steam because you're not paying for the final game but for the game in it's current state. Arma 3 is a great example of this. You're actually paying for the Alpha, not a Pre-Purchase. So if the game was to go under for whatever reason, you would be fighting an uphill battle to get that money back on the grounds that you didn't get your finished copy.

 

As I said, it offers a bit more potential over Kickstarter (or IndieGoGo, or any other such site) in the way of buyers insurance. If their is a colossal flop or a completely undelivered product then Steam being an actual store front will most likely take action.

 

Partially due to buyer confidence and partially due to brand image.

 

Consumer Confidence is what Steam has in spades, but they're also well aware of how brand image can be smashed by one big screw up.

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