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Ok, just some talking points, since I can't answer all of your questions (it's late). I'll get back to this thread tomorrow, but I'll say this.

There are a lot of Intel/AMD fanboys around here. And a lot of Nvidia/ATI/AMD fanboys as well. They are going to try to sway you toward their preference. You have to do the research for yourself in order to make the right decision for you. I have my preferences as well, but I'm going to attempt to be informative about what I know without being fanboy-ish. biggrin.gif

That said, in response to your statement that the AMD 8350 has better longevity, I would say that the signs seem to be pointing in that direction, yes. In response to the people saying the Intel chips perform better because of IPC, that is correct as well, to an extent. The Intel platform performs better clock for clock in applications using up to 4 cores (in the case of the i5 and quad i7 lines). The AMD 83XX chips outperform even the quad i7's though in applications that use more than 4 threads. These are becoming increasingly more prevalent, especially with games, and it's going to snowball with the PS4 releasing with an 8-core AMD APU (APU is a CPU with a video card on-die). Take a look at Far Cry 3 and Crysis 3 as an example - the 8350 beats the i5 3570k and the i7 3770k because these games can utilize 8 cores. The 3570k is better in some older/current gen games, but they are practically tied.

I'm not telling you to buy the 8350 or the Intel, I just want to try to bring some points to light about the fact that in situations where the 8350 can be used to its full potential, it's becoming an increasingly strong competitor. Also, AMD has reportedly confirmed that the Steamroller chips that are coming out in 2014 will be on the AM3+ platform again. So as you suspected, you'll probably get at least one more chip upgrade on an AM3+ board purchased today. I don't know where Haswell is going in terms of sockets for Intel, but if you decide to go with Intel, you'd be better off waiting it out for Haswell to release than to jump on an Ivy Bridge i5 or i7.

I know this post has the potential to spark a lot of debate, and invites fanboys and trolls alike to start popping out of the woodwork with hundreds of benchmarks in hand, but I'm really not here to debate. There are a lot of conflicting and contradicting sources of information for both sides, and people can find benchmarks from various sources that have whatever outcome they want to believe is true in them. I hope this doesn't turn into a crapfest - just choose whatever you think is better for whatever you're going to be doing.

All of THAT being said, whether you go for an AMD 83XX, a similarly priced i5 3570k, or wait it out for Haswell to drop, you're not going to be disappointed in your purchase either way. smile.gif
Edited by Clowerweb - 3/21/13 at 3:14am
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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The Judge
(23 items)
 
The Jury
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD FX-8350 @ 4.7 GHz ASUS Sabertooth 990FX R2.0 Zotac GeForce GTX 660 16GB G.Skill Ripjaws X (2 x 8GB @ 1866) 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD 640GB (16MB Cache) SATA II @ 7200 RPM (Main) Seagate 2TB (64MB Cache) SATA III @ 5900 RPM (S... HP DVD Writer 1260T SATA 7x Aerocool Shark 140mm Red LED Fans 
CoolingCoolingOSMonitor
Swiftech H220 2x Noctua NF-F12 Fans for H220 Windows 8 Professional LG Flatron W2361V 23" 2ms LCD @ 1920x1080 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Samsung SyncMaster S27A550H 27" 2ms LED LCD @ 1... A USB one that came with an older Dell PC SeaSonic M12II 750W NZXT Switch 810 
MouseMouse PadAudioAudio
Logitech M150 5-Button Bluetooth Wireless Generic Ergonomic w/ Gel Wrist Rest Logitech H800 Bluetooth Wireless Headset Insignia 2.1 channel desktop speakers 
OtherOtherOther
All-In-One Card Reader BOSS Executive High Back Leather Chair Arctic MX4 Thermal Compound 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE @ 4.0 GHz Biostar 880G+ AM3 mATX Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 8GB G.Skill Ripjaws 1066 CL7 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
WD 500GB SATA II Some DVD burner Antec Kuhler H20 920 Windows 7 Home Premium 
MonitorPowerCaseMouse
Acer 27" LED LCD @ 1920x1080 OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Thermaltake Soprano RS Wireless Optical 
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