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Your right. Newer drivers always better. Although i don't now if they still support this card.
post #5212 of 5223
Hey Guys, Newbie here!

I have a serius problem, and do not have enough knowledge to cope with it.

Last week I bought from reseller: club 3d 7870 xt:
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Club_3D/HD_7870_jokerCard_Tahiti_LE/

The card was running for 2 hours on the first night.
The next day, I was stressing it by furmark couple of times.
Sometimes system restarts, but finally it switched off and I could not turn it on.
No any smell.

It looks like, when it is plugged into second 6xpin, only some 'click' is heared from PSU and nothing is going to run.
If I plug this card only by PCIe or/with first 6xpin, the computer is booting, fan on GPU is running, but of course there is no video.

Reseller said, that it is my fault, my PSU is china made soooo weak and it burned his card.

My configuration:
SHUTTLE SZ77R5
http://global.shuttle.com/news/productsSupportList?productId=1581
with PSU: PC63J 500W 80+ Bronze (3 x 12V)
http://www.shuttle.eu/products/xpc-accessories/pc63j/
i5-2400 @ 3600GHz
and SSD.

As You can see in link above, SHUTTLE is saying You can even use 7970.
I bought this SHUTTLE as the new model / unused model at the beginning of this year.
I checked this card on other PSU (Be quiet! Pure power L8 700W) and it behaves the same.

I found that even on high load, this card should not take more than 320W for whole setup.
Is it really possible, that even with a little OC I burned this card with this PSU?

Please, tell me Masters of Experience, what do You think?

Much THANKS in advance!

Edit:
Found certification test for this PSU:
https://plugloadsolutions.com/psu_reports/SHUTTLE_PC63I0005_ECOS%201257_500W_Report.pdf
Edited by WoodMan - 4/19/17 at 5:03am
post #5213 of 5223
Don't think that the PSU toasted the card, but Furmark may have. It doesn't play well with AMD hardware.

Have you tried plugging the PSU to it using two cables, as opposed to the one cable with two connectors? I think, on this PSU, those connectors run off of different 12v rails. This card likes amperes a LOT, and the 30A "suggestion" is more of a demand than anything.
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Ya, Furmark is a very good way to kill a 7870XT. gunner.gif

I remember running Furmark even with a custom heatsink (big chunk of pure copper) on the VRM and a fan pointed directly at it. The VRM still shot to 100C+ in less than a minute.
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Thanks for resposnes!

@SigTauMatt
"I checked this card on other PSU (Be quiet! Pure power L8 700W) and it behaves the same."

@SigTauMatt, @M3TAl
First day:
Quick driver installation (previous GPU was HD 5770)
Then basic 2-3 Furmark benchmark with 1000 / 1600 OC by AMD Overdrive (no throttling, stable).
Then max 2 hours of Diablo 3 on max settings (a bit loud GPU, but nothing too distrubing).
Everything was lookin awesome!

The second day:
Full driver uninstallation, by Windows Add/Remove Programs -> AMD, then DDU.
Latest Beta AMD drivers.
BIOS for Club 3D -> 0.31 from tech power up site found on first post in this thread.
MSI Afterburner, minimal OC, less than day before..
Then the same Furmark benchmarking, but now i noticed throttling with 925 -> 500 Ghz.
Then I play around with powerLimit (up to 20%) in MSI, but throttling preserves.
Went back to default BIOS 0.28,deafult clocks, throttling preserves.
Temps were high but definetly less than > 90C
I am sure I didn't OC more than 1000Ghz, 1600 memory (not at the same time).
Then after another restart, GPU is not turning on, looks like PSU protection.

The fourth day:
Some miracle, card turn on.
I repeat with Full driver uninstallation, by Windows Add/Remove Programs -> AMD, then DDU then AMD latest drivers -> no OC.
Then run Frumark to check if it stable.
Instant shur down and dead till today.

So my questions are:
1) Do throttling was AMD protection, or card defect?
2) Am I really killed this card?
or
3) Did this card have defects and I only fasten its dead?

The answer for 3) is very crucial, because I do not know if I should argue with reseller.

Card is not new, he is saying that it is 2,5 years old and he is a second owner.
Moreover, I see some disturbing phisical traces on this card, e.g.
yellowed serial sticekrs, overhelmed fan sticker, missing screws for DVI and cooler, some pencil sign on RAMs,
And some low price put by marker on back PCB...

All above, and quick death of card, makes me wonder, that maybe this card had adventure in the oven...was defected from the first day and it was just the matter of time when it dies...
Shame on me, that I did not buy this card with 7 day warranty or sth..

Nevertheless, once again, what do You think?
post #5216 of 5223
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Originally Posted by WoodMan View Post

Thanks for resposnes!

@SigTauMatt
"I checked this card on other PSU (Be quiet! Pure power L8 700W) and it behaves the same."

@SigTauMatt, @M3TAl
First day:
Quick driver installation (previous GPU was HD 5770)
Then basic 2-3 Furmark benchmark with 1000 / 1600 OC by AMD Overdrive (no throttling, stable).
Then max 2 hours of Diablo 3 on max settings (a bit loud GPU, but nothing too distrubing).
Everything was lookin awesome!

The second day:
Full driver uninstallation, by Windows Add/Remove Programs -> AMD, then DDU.
Latest Beta AMD drivers.
BIOS for Club 3D -> 0.31 from tech power up site found on first post in this thread.
MSI Afterburner, minimal OC, less than day before..
Then the same Furmark benchmarking, but now i noticed throttling with 925 -> 500 Ghz.
Then I play around with powerLimit (up to 20%) in MSI, but throttling preserves.
Went back to default BIOS 0.28,deafult clocks, throttling preserves.
Temps were high but definetly less than > 90C
I am sure I didn't OC more than 1000Ghz, 1600 memory (not at the same time).
Then after another restart, GPU is not turning on, looks like PSU protection.

The fourth day:
Some miracle, card turn on.
I repeat with Full driver uninstallation, by Windows Add/Remove Programs -> AMD, then DDU then AMD latest drivers -> no OC.
Then run Frumark to check if it stable.
Instant shur down and dead till today.

So my questions are:
1) Do throttling was AMD protection, or card defect?
2) Am I really killed this card?
or
3) Did this card have defects and I only fasten its dead?

The answer for 3) is very crucial, because I do not know if I should argue with reseller.

Card is not new, he is saying that it is 2,5 years old and he is a second owner.
Moreover, I see some disturbing phisical traces on this card, e.g.
yellowed serial sticekrs, overhelmed fan sticker, missing screws for DVI and cooler, some pencil sign on RAMs,
And some low price put by marker on back PCB...

All above, and quick death of card, makes me wonder, that maybe this card had adventure in the oven...was defected from the first day and it was just the matter of time when it dies...
Shame on me, that I did not buy this card with 7 day warranty or sth..

Nevertheless, once again, what do You think?

The 7870XT throttle mainly due to TDP limit (drawing too much power). My card would throttle in Crysis 2 all the time even with power limit at 20% so I edited the bios to remove the throttling. The 7870XT is infamous for high VRM temperature (90C+) due to the lack of phases provided on the PCB (4+1 I believe) and poor airflow over anemic VRM heatsinks. Running Furmark is a good way to take that VRM to 120C+ very quickly.

It's hard to know if the card had defects without having it in my own hands to play with beforehand. It's also hard to know if you killed the card because we don't know what the VRM temperature was during your Furmark testing.

All I can say is always monitor the VRM temps as that's the Achilles heel of these cards and personally I would never run Furmark. Once the VRM hits 125C+ it's at danger of failure and personally I like to keep it under 90C for efficiency's sake. My card still runs perfectly fine in my backup PC with edited BIOS on universal GPU water block and yes the VRM still runs HOT! I have a fan pointed directly at the VRM at all times.
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post #5217 of 5223
Once again thanks for resposnes!
I learnt a loooot from this case.

Meanwhile, Club 3D Technical Support answered my questions, and confirmed that, its higly unlike that this Shuttle PSU could instand damaged that card.
BTW, great support, they gave me full described response after couple of hours.!

Last question, guys.
You know my conf.
Is 7870xt still the best secondhand GPU (games performance) for the price up to 90$/€?
post #5218 of 5223
Quote:
Originally Posted by WoodMan View Post

Once again thanks for resposnes!
I learnt a loooot from this case.

Meanwhile, Club 3D Technical Support answered my questions, and confirmed that, its higly unlike that this Shuttle PSU could instand damaged that card.
BTW, great support, they gave me full described response after couple of hours.!

Last question, guys.
You know my conf.
Is 7870xt still the best secondhand GPU (games performance) for the price up to 90$/€?

You could probably get a 7970 for that price here on OCN marketplace (eBay prices are usually a ripoff in my experience).
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2x Crucial MX100 + 960GB M500 2x WD Blue RAID EK Supremacy EK-FC R9-290X Lightning 
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EK XE 480 + EK CoolStream PE 480 10x Phanteks + 2x Cougar Vortex MCP50X + MCP50X Windows 10 Pro 
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MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Logitech G700 XTRAC Ripper TC Electronic Impact Twin Corsair Commander Mini 
OtherOther
Schiit Vali Kanto Yumi (Bamboo) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
FX-8350 4.95GHz 24/7 GA-990FXA-UD3 Sapphire 7870 XT  Mushkin Redline 997051 @1866 8-8-8-24 1T 
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Yeah, but You know.. my PSU.. so no GPU above 200W TDP ; )
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