Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › what is my bottleneck? (sims3) (wall of text warning)
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

what is my bottleneck? (sims3) (wall of text warning) - Page 2

post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
interesting-- I'd kindof heard before that you shouldn't overfill hard drives, but I didn't realize quite how much of a difference it can make.
I fill 128 pretty easily... but I can keep it to probably 150/250gb on the new ssd I've ordered if I'm careful. sims3 takes up a ton, and is a pita to reinstall-- but any linear first person shooter, once I've finished the plot/completed the sidequests, I put it down and can uninstall.
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
related question.... sata II vs sata III, help me understand: is that only transfer speed? read/write is something else? Forgive (and correct) any misconceptions or more analogies.

What I think I understand is, sata II refers to transfer rate. So maybe some data has to go through the cable to another hard drive (copying video, photos, music over), or, getting data to the cpu and back again.

So sata II is a limitation vs sata III if I need to move lots of data between things.

A game like sims3 needs to move lots of points of data, so it needs read/write speed (rather than having 7/8 of its files on a disk drive, and 1/8 on an older ssd), but will it ever need to exchange more than 3gb/sec between hard drives or between a hard drive and processor...? It won't, right?
Likewise, will sata III change anything for load up times, boot speed, etc., if the software in question isn't actually limited by 3gb/sec transfer speed, but search times within the drive?

What I'm getting at is... my current motherboard is only sata II. Unless I'm swapping photos by the hundreds of gigabytes every hour, does that limit any thing?
post #13 of 16
Storage is not the problem,the problem is that the game is badly optimized.

I have an SSD,and the stutter still continues,what you need to do,is reduce the detail lot render in options.

Force Vsync in NVidia control panel or in the ATI counterpart. And enable triple buffering (Since a high end PC boasts so many FPS in the game, you need to stabilize it)
Black Dragon
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.3 GHZ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 (PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, B... EVGA GTX 580 1.5 GB GDDR5 G.SKILL Ripjaws X ( 4 x 2GB) @ 1866 MHZ 8-9-8-2... 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 120 GB Firmware 2.21 Noctua NH-D14 Windows 8.1 X64 Alienware Optx AW2310 (1920 x 1080p) 120 HZ 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Corsair AX850 PLUS GOLD Certified Silverstone FT02B-W Razer Deathadder 3500 DPi 
Mouse Pad
Steel Series QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
Black Dragon
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600k @ 4.3 GHZ ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 (PCI-E 3.0, USB 3.0, B... EVGA GTX 580 1.5 GB GDDR5 G.SKILL Ripjaws X ( 4 x 2GB) @ 1866 MHZ 8-9-8-2... 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 3 MAX IOPS 120 GB Firmware 2.21 Noctua NH-D14 Windows 8.1 X64 Alienware Optx AW2310 (1920 x 1080p) 120 HZ 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Comfort Curve Keyboard 2000 Corsair AX850 PLUS GOLD Certified Silverstone FT02B-W Razer Deathadder 3500 DPi 
Mouse Pad
Steel Series QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
thanks for the advice-- I'll go do those things.
I was thinking that with my still very good graphics cards, surely graphics isn't the problem: and I'd turned down draw distance, and the # of lots drawn, all the way down; but kept high lot detail because surely my card could handle it!
Given the simcity release, and how woefully buggy sims3 always has been, maybe ea just can't make a clean game.... but that should be saved for another thread.
post #15 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by berninicaco3 View Post

related question.... sata II vs sata III, help me understand: is that only transfer speed? read/write is something else? Forgive (and correct) any misconceptions or more analogies.

What I think I understand is, sata II refers to transfer rate. So maybe some data has to go through the cable to another hard drive (copying video, photos, music over), or, getting data to the cpu and back again.

So sata II is a limitation vs sata III if I need to move lots of data between things.

A game like sims3 needs to move lots of points of data, so it needs read/write speed (rather than having 7/8 of its files on a disk drive, and 1/8 on an older ssd), but will it ever need to exchange more than 3gb/sec between hard drives or between a hard drive and processor...? It won't, right?
Likewise, will sata III change anything for load up times, boot speed, etc., if the software in question isn't actually limited by 3gb/sec transfer speed, but search times within the drive?

What I'm getting at is... my current motherboard is only sata II. Unless I'm swapping photos by the hundreds of gigabytes every hour, does that limit any thing?

In answer to your questions sata 2 /3 are threshold specifications. It defines how much data can be transferred at any given time.

Sata 2 specifies that at any given time 384 MegaBytes of data can be moved. If you note that new SSD's have the ability to read/write at 550MB/s that means you cannot fully utilize those speeds.

When playing a game that writes a lot to the hard drive you will notice it does not write gigabyte files, you are generally seeing small reads and writes. Within the kilobytes or low megabytes. What you are really looking for is IO speeds. How fast can your drive randomly access or randomly write files. New SSDs are really good at this.
Cosmos
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 EVGA 680i SLI A1 Radeon HD 7950 8gig Balistix 8500 DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2x120gig vertex2 Pioneer D212 H60 Win7 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Westinghouse 37'' Logitech G15 Antec True 650W Cosmos S 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Deathadder Razer eXactMat X-Fi Fatality 
  hide details  
Reply
Cosmos
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 EVGA 680i SLI A1 Radeon HD 7950 8gig Balistix 8500 DDR2 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
2x120gig vertex2 Pioneer D212 H60 Win7 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Westinghouse 37'' Logitech G15 Antec True 650W Cosmos S 
MouseMouse PadAudio
Razer Deathadder Razer eXactMat X-Fi Fatality 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 16
In regards specifically to the sims:

Go to console and type /resetsim *

This will reset all sim locations and animal spawns.

Sims 3 has a huge issue with sims and objects getting stuck, this command will reset them so they don't keep piling up causing your PC to do unnecessary work. There are many mods that fix the routing issues that cause sims to get stuck in this manner.

Here is a resource I have used with fixes to most worlds:
http://modthesims.info/member.php?u=1515002
Megalith
(16 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600k Asrock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 evga gtx 780 Corsair dominator platinum 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
WD Green Seagate Barricuda Crucial M4 Acer 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Koolance CPU-380I Windows 7 Ultimate x64 23" HP LCD Corsair K90 Vengeance 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X Series X650 Gold Fractal Design Define XL Logitech MX518 Steelseries QCK+ 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I3 2120 ASROCK Z77M HD 6450 Samsung Low Profile DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitor
Crucial M4 Noctua NH-L12 42" 1080i 
  hide details  
Reply
Megalith
(16 items)
 
   
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600k Asrock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 evga gtx 780 Corsair dominator platinum 
Hard DriveHard DriveHard DriveOptical Drive
WD Green Seagate Barricuda Crucial M4 Acer 
CoolingOSMonitorKeyboard
Koolance CPU-380I Windows 7 Ultimate x64 23" HP LCD Corsair K90 Vengeance 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Seasonic X Series X650 Gold Fractal Design Define XL Logitech MX518 Steelseries QCK+ 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I3 2120 ASROCK Z77M HD 6450 Samsung Low Profile DDR3 
Hard DriveCoolingMonitor
Crucial M4 Noctua NH-L12 42" 1080i 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: PC Gaming
Overclock.net › Forums › Video Games › PC Gaming › what is my bottleneck? (sims3) (wall of text warning)