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I don't particularly need the state.

Right. The street lights will power themselves, the roads will pave themselves, the water in your home will get there by magic - you don't need the state.

Unless you live in the woods and survive off the land, you need the governments that are around you. Don't be a fool.
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As long as the taxes go to my own state...I'd hate to buy something online and have the tax go to some state I don't live in.

Though I think it would be an inefficient system to pay the tax to Newegg and then have Newegg's financial employees figure that they have to send $12.54 to the state of Minnesota because I bought something. I am sure we'd see a substantial rise in the price of online items even before the tax was applied.

That's how Canada did it when half the provinces changed to a harmonized tax. Now anything you buy online you pay full 12%-15% tax that goes to the federal governement, who then redistributes to each province.

Residences of British Columbia pay 12% sales tax to the Canada Revenue Agency (Distribution: 5% federal, 7% provincial) when buying something from outside of British Columbia.
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I was really wondering why federal taxes were not applied at least. In canada only federal tax is applied and that's 5% vs 15% enough to prevent my to buy local (most of the time they try to milk you with price-match including shipping).
That's the other half of Canada. Only paying 5% federal tax for out-of-province shopping. wink.gif

This is the same as the US sales tax system- except that the US federal rate would be 0%.
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While i do understand that without taxes the government can't do anything so they're needed, i'd hate them to be applied to the US.

Why? Because i don't even live there. And i flatly refuse to pay taxes to someplace that i won't ever benefit from.
I can describe how it would work based off our system.

Potential US state tax reform:

  • Federal government collects all of the out-of-state online shopping sales tax.
  • You pay your own state tax rate, regardless of where the product is from.
  • The federal government redistributes the tax to each state

This way business will only have to pay one entity: the federal government. They will not have to pay each individual state. Also, this system ensures that each consumer pays tax to their own state.
Edited by SkillzKillz - 3/22/13 at 10:34am
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You say this without considering how little effective public transportation their is in the US and how much open space their is relative to the UK. I know people whose daily commute is the equivalent of going from Nottingham to London.

Many people would gladly pay double for fuel if they only had to drive half as far and could get by with a smaller vehicle.

That doesn't work - just because it's smaller, the government has the right to charge more tax?? There are less roads in the UK, it should be less tax to maintain them! The reason the tax is high is an environmental one - it's a quick win for the government to keep the Greens happy.

Also, our public transport system isn't any better than yours really. Chicago's "L" train isn't dissimilar to inner city tram/tube networks here. Your inter-city coaches & trains are comparable to ours, just scaled up a bit. I mean, if you accept that the UK is a similar size to the larger US states like Texas (actually, I don't know if that's true, but run with it), then it's fairer to compare at that level. By that comparison, different US states should charge more fuel duty depending on how densely populated they are. In theory, the rate should be the same, as the more people, the more actual tax collected.

The UK is a bit bigger then Illinois, and a bit smaller then California, if you count both islands. So close enough.

Anyway, different states do have different levels of tax, even on gas. I go up to Michigan on a fairly regular basis, and gas there is usually 40-50 cents cheaper to gallon there then in Illinois. It wasn't that last time I went up there, but normally it is. Indiana is maybe a few cents lower, but they're usually pretty on par with us.

Heck, gas prices can change on the county level too. Not too far down the road gas is 10 cents higher then where I normally get it.
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post #125 of 243
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The UK is a bit bigger then Illinois, and a bit smaller then California, if you count both islands. So close enough.

Anyway, different states do have different levels of tax, even on gas. I go up to Michigan on a fairly regular basis, and gas there is usually 40-50 cents cheaper to gallon there then in Illinois. It wasn't that last time I went up there, but normally it is. Indiana is maybe a few cents lower, but they're usually pretty on par with us.

I think California is the highest at about 70 cents a gallon going to tax...most states are in the 40-60 cent a gallon range a I believe. I saw a chart of those numbers for 2012 a while back. Plus there is a 18 cent federal tax on top of that I believe. It was kind of disgusting really since it costs about 35 cents to refine a gallon of gas (or least that is how much refineries charge)...after gas station markup you are looking about $1.00-$1.20 or so...the rest of the cost per gallon goes to crude oil companies.

Oh whoops I forgot transportation...moving the oil around and the gas out to stations and all...not sure what that would cost, but I can't see it being too much comparatively
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Right. The street lights will power themselves, the roads will pave themselves, the water in your home will get there by magic - you don't need the state.

Unless you live in the woods and survive off the land, you need the governments that are around you. Don't be a fool.

Hmmm... your ideas appeal to me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

Seriously, if I were allowed to simply live in the woods and survive off the land I would LOVE it... as would my digestive system since I could actually get foods that weren't processed to the point of being almost useless and I'd get fresher air and water too. Only problem is that... wait for it... I WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES! It doesn't matter if you use 0% of the government services or are completely dependent on them... in fact the more dependent you are - the less you have to pay. Makes sense for churches, charities, and family... not as much for government.
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Right. The street lights will power themselves, the roads will pave themselves, the water in your home will get there by magic - you don't need the state.

False dilemma.
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Hmmm... your ideas appeal to me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter...

Seriously, if I were allowed to simply live in the woods and survive off the land I would LOVE it... as would my digestive system since I could actually get foods that weren't processed to the point of being almost useless and I'd get fresher air and water too. Only problem is that... wait for it... I WOULD STILL HAVE TO PAY TAXES! It doesn't matter if you use 0% of the government services or are completely dependent on them... in fact the more dependent you are - the less you have to pay. Makes sense for churches, charities, and family... not as much for government.


Pay taxes on what? You don't own land, you don't buy anything and you don't sell anything. There's nothing to pay taxes on. Apparently you don't understand what it means to live off the land. There is no "Going into town" because everything you need is supplied to you by mother nature and your vast skills of survival. Did you seriously think I meant you could bring your computer and your cel-phone?
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frown.gif I like paying exactly $299.99 when I purchase something from amazon

I USED to enjoy this as well until Amazon started taxing California.
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Honestly, the country needs revenue and millions of people shop online. They NEED to tax online sales. (U.S. really needs to raise taxes in general, but that hedges on prohibited talk...)

Everyone will whine and complain but it is a guaranteed eventuality.

I think the US needs to stop spending so darn much money. If they cut spending they would not need to raise revenues. All taxes do is pull cash out of the economy and give it to a government that wastes too much and spends like druken sailors, no offense meant to sailors. We borrow 40 cents on the dollar, it cannot be sustained, and no amount of taxes can pay our debt so when someone says raise taxes I go nuts !!!!!! Sorry.
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