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Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Minimal gains, there are pressing issues already and this is what the Congress chooses to spend their time on?

That has to be about the weakest response you could have given......

Moving on.
    
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That has to be about the weakest response you could have given......

Moving on.


Lovely ego, has yet to debunk my claim.
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Lovely ego, has yet to debunk my claim.

Go back one page, look up a few posts to one of mine, I gave a nice short, sweet, and easy to understand list as to why we need to do this. Now after you read the list, think on it a bit, then think on what you said...

You are against, for apparently absolutely no reason, enforcing current tax laws.
    
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post #144 of 243
You are here (US), you enjoy a quality of life that is not perfect but it is higher than most of the world, you have standards, laws, affordable education (no health system, that's sold out 100%) and an idiotic shortsighted security feel cause you have been pumped the propaganda of each BS oligarch for what freedom is supposed to be...

How much did you work for that? Not much.
There is no "self created" man. This is bullcrap. Fat, easy and cheap talk.

Society helped each and every step of you. Each and every step of your family tree.

Your country did work for you to be able to buy stuff over the webs, for you to be educated (or to think you are), for you to find 300M ppl to sell or provide services to.

It is not the Fed that tricks you asking for taxes over the internet. It is the mega-corps that try to cheat out of taxes by going online, and they did it for long enough. For some years now, business over the internet is bigger than RL in many sectors of the economy. What is the state supposed to do? Wait till it is 100% interwebs?

It is astonishing how ppl believe they could do without their country...just like 13yo that think they are good enough to leave their parent's care, without expecting any change in their life-style. Cheap, big-talking rebels those are...
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post #145 of 243
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Originally Posted by PostalTwinkie View Post

Go back one page, look up a few posts to one of mine, I gave a nice short, sweet, and easy to understand list as to why we need to do this. Now after you read the list, think on it a bit, then think on what you said...

You are against, for apparently absolutely no reason, enforcing current tax laws.

I don't even agree with the current taxcode. Not that I am one of those flat rate fans, but in my honest opinion there are far more urgent things. Online retailers should be left alone, there is no need to bring additional disruptions to the government process. Do you even know what this is? A waste of government money, even considering bills in Congress takes up cash. There isn't even a need to go ater small retailers because of the minimum amount of revenue it would bring.

Moreover, all this will do is decrease purchasing power of some consumers. That's all taxation does and thus why it is only used when a restrictive fiscal policy is followed. At the moment, the exact opposite is happening with the Federal reserve buying things up right and left, little moves like this slow down the momentum. So yes, I am against this proposal, it's stupid and coming at the wrong time.

If the government wants more revenue in the short term, raise the tax rate on he upper beackets, fhen drop it in the next few years. If timed right, this would be the optimal way to handle the economy in a good old Keynesian way. But hey, since the GOP is in the Congress no way that's gonna happen right?

Enforcing online taxes will also just bring more government regulation to Internet in general, I don't feel that I need to explain why I don't want that particular train to go through.
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Originally Posted by dtolios 
You are here (US), you enjoy a quality of life that is not perfect but it is higher than most of the world, you have standards, laws, affordable education (no health system, that's sold out 100%) and an idiotic shortsighted security feel cause you have been pumped the propaganda of each BS oligarch for what freedom is supposed to be...

Oh please don't even start that drivel again. I've heard it time and time again when you don't even recognize what some people are really arguing for. You think we're being entitled and refuse to fork over taxes? That's not it, and your post is exactly the viewpoint of a typical upper-class U.S. citizen who fail to account for the fact that it's not just the nation, but the class that makes you privileged. Now I'm not saying that self-entitled unemployed college graduates are in the right either, but your position of "be happy to even be here and pay taxes" is even dumber.
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Originally Posted by dtolios 
It is not the Fed that tricks you asking for taxes over the internet. It is the mega-corps that try to cheat out of taxes by going online, and they did it for long enough.

The same mega corps that put those "honest, hard-working" Congressmen in office? We should trust the government? Right, because individuals battling it out in the political arena for influence are somehow more trustworthy than the people who just want your money. Do you even know what forced Minimal wage? Social Security? All those things that makes us privileged? It's not your good ol' government, but the threat of the masses.
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Originally Posted by dtolios 
It is astonishing how ppl believe they could do without their country...just like 13yo that think they are good enough to leave their parent's care, without expecting any change in their life-style. Cheap, big-talking rebels those are...

The two are not even remotely related. Plenty of people are self-sufficient without a nation. Ask any refugee out there. Also, ask the pirates bathing in gold and cash in Somalia. Oh, and ask immigrants. Please do ask the immigrants from Eastern Europe, Asia, and Africa. Then ask yourself why so many people emigrate out of America, to another nation with a more favorable tax code, fairer labor laws, and a government that doesn't openly support lobbyists.
Edited by HanSomPa - 3/23/13 at 12:23am
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post #146 of 243
I'm a cheap person.

But then as consumers, isn't it our duty to be cheap?


But tax is there for a reason. It keeps the government alive.

I wouldn't mind paying taxes on online purchase, but I do have one request.


Just include the damned tax price with the retail price.

Nothing infuriates me more than finding out at the end of checkout that the item is actually 7% higher.

With the price having tax included I eventually stop noticing the markup.

Tax makes me feel patriotic. Like I'm giving something to my country.

Lords knows I don't give much else.
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I'll be completely honest...I don't see the problem.

Then again, I live in Kansas, and live actually roughly 35 miles away from the nearest Amazon fulfillment center (which I used to work at) so I have always had to pay taxes.
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Wait, Americans dont pay tax on online purchases?


You'd think that certain people in this thread could solve all of the worlds problems by themselves the way they go on.

I cant get over the fact that some of you think you shouldnt have to pay taxes for online sales, I mean seriously? Why should it be any different from walking into a store?
Edited by Mach 5 - 3/23/13 at 4:17am
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That doesn't work - just because it's smaller, the government has the right to charge more tax??

That's not what I said. I said that higher fuel prices have less of an impact if you don't need to use as much.

As I mentioned in the first part of my post, I don't think the government should have the right to tax at all.
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Right. The street lights will power themselves, the roads will pave themselves, the water in your home will get there by magic - you don't need the state.

Unless you live in the woods and survive off the land, you need the governments that are around you. Don't be a fool.

I don't need street lights. Indeed most of my life I've lived where there were none. I don't need roads, I dumped my car a long time ago. I've had well water before (and I helped dig the well myself), and the municipal water I get now I pay for out of pocket, not though taxes.

Anyway, like I said, I'd voluntarily pay for services I use, I just don't use much, and do not feel that I should be required to support anyone else.

I do not need the state. If I had to chose between living off the land, and being the sole provider for myself and my own protection, I would choose it over the current system.

However, an utter absence of what the state currently provides is not what I was suggesting, and such an assumption is profoundly ignorant.

There is not one thing the state does that a free market could not do better, cheaper, and more fairly.
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Apparently you don't understand what it means to live off the land.

Neither do you, obviously.

Living off the land almost never implies the same sort of extreme survivalist isolation you seem to think it does.

The Amish live off the land. Survivor Man demonstrates wilderness survival. Not the same thing.
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It doesn't cost the Government anything for someone to buy online?

As it is now, of course it costs the government, but that's because they monopolize certain key aspects of society and civilization, by force.

They aren't doing anything that couldn't be done another way, they simply will not allow any alternatives.

The whole system is a farce. You cannot even vote for change because any party that stands a chance at winning any relevant election is determined to continue the status quo.
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I cant get over the fact that some of you think you shouldnt have to pay taxes for online sales, I mean seriously? Why should it be any different from walking into a store?

I wouldn't pay taxes at a brick and mortar store either, if there was a way to avoid it more reliably than shoplifting.

If it was my responsibly to hand my taxes over, and not the stores' responsibility to collect them, I promise you, the government would never see one cent from me.
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

I'm a cheap person.
But tax is there for a reason. It keeps the government alive.

And this is why I advocate paying absolutely as little in tax as possible, to choke the government of the revenue it needs to continue to unilaterally dictate terms to the governed.
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Originally Posted by kennyparker1337 View Post

Tax makes me feel patriotic. Like I'm giving something to my country.

This is silly, since your government has been the largest threat to your country for the last 200 years.

Maybe if it was a government of the people, by the people, for the people, rather than a government of the government, by the government, for the government, I could sympathize with your outlook.
Edited by Blameless - 3/23/13 at 5:31am
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Pay taxes on what? You don't own land, you don't buy anything and you don't sell anything. There's nothing to pay taxes on. Apparently you don't understand what it means to live off the land. There is no "Going into town" because everything you need is supplied to you by mother nature and your vast skills of survival. Did you seriously think I meant you could bring your computer and your cel-phone?

Ah but I would own land. If by living off the land you mean becoming a wild animal and 'denning' in deadfall or squatting on someone else's land then you're right - I do not intend to do unless absolutely forced to. Such hyperbole is only meaningful for argument's sake (and not useful arguments at that). I simply meant that if I can figure out how to swing it, I will own a ranch and be entirely off-grid as far as water, power, sewer, etc... I'm far to 'citified' to go be a wandering nomad, and there's no reason to be one.

Also you act as if the number one expenditure in the US is infrastructure (as funded by tax revenues). It is a significant one to be sure - but the majory of taxes (at least not retail sales taxes) don't go toward funding those projects at all. Property taxes and state income taxes provide a decent amount, but the lion's share disappears before a single worker has set foot on pavement - it pays the government to exist basically. Most of the true infrastructure you refer to is actually provided by either private enterprise or by municipalities funded by non-tax revenue. Otherwise, we'd just have to pay taxes... but we'd get free electricity, water, sewer, gas, cable, phone, trash service, etc... To associate these modern conveniences with tax revenues is not only asinine but is a huge disservice to the men and women that built the technologies and the companies that provided them - for a profit which in many cases provided jobs as well as increased tax revenues for the governent.

Now if you had said police protection, public education, welfare, social security, national defense, and so on... then you would be talking about things that would reasonably have to be completely given up in order to have little to no taxes. Your argument, while entertaining, is completely ridiculous.
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