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How can you sit there with a straight face and say that taxes are collected "to no ones benefit". What kind of fantasy world are you living in? Take a trip to India or somewhere and say the same thing.

Im assuming you live in the US of course.
Edited by RX7-2nr - 3/23/13 at 1:15pm
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How can you sit there with a straight face and say that taxes are collected "to no ones benefit". What kind of fantasy world are you living in? Take a trip to India or somewhere and say the same thing.

Im assuming you live in the US of course.

there's no point arguing with these guys. if you do, they'll complain about the elites in government and media are too constrained by book, learning, facts and knowledge (of economics and how societies actually function.)
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there's no point arguing with these guys. if you do, they'll complain about the elites in government and media are too constrained by book, learning, facts and knowledge (of economics and how societies actually function.)

Sorry if you can't be bothered to do any critical thinking. Your guys' reasoning is exactly the same type of thought that got EU into such a mess.
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Sorry if you can't be bothered to do any critical thinking. Your guys' reasoning is exactly the same type of thought that got EU into such a mess.

the financial crisis was caused by those who believed that deregulating the banks would be ok, that government regulation was not necessary. if anything it demonstrates the failures of capitalist systems when not properly regulated by the state
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the financial crisis was caused by those who believed that deregulating the banks would be ok, that government regulation was not necessary. if anything it demonstrates the failures of capitalist systems when not standardized/regulated by the state

And who's incompetence do you think allowed all that? This is exactly what happens when you leave politicians to their own devices. So when people like me whine about pointless and stupid legislation, I get all sorts of comments like in this thread. Be happy to pay your taxes and it could be worse. It is getting worse, every time the government feeds the media some bull**** to divert the attention from the actually important stuff, like the repeat of 2000 with an almost uncontrolled increase in the money supply.
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And who's incompetence do you think allowed all that? This is exactly what happens when you leave politicians to their own devices. So when people like me whine about pointless and stupid legislation, I get all sorts of comments like in this thread. Be happy to pay your taxes and it could be worse. It is getting worse, every time the government feeds the media some bull**** to divert the attention from

it's not that you shouldn't be critical, it's that your criticisms should actually make sense and just be arbitrary or just be based on an irrational bias. calling for less government regulation when that was responsible for the financial crisis makes no sense
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the actually important stuff like the repeat of 2000 with an almost uncontrolled increase in the money supply

this is the type of uninformed, conspiracy theory stuff i'm talking about. if you think we are somehow near a new financial collapse right out of touch with reality. i assume you're referring to the basically successful financial stimulus pursued by bernanke?
Edited by perfectblade - 3/23/13 at 2:00pm
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What conspiracy? Its simple monetary policy pursued by the Fed. And what doesn't make sense? This is a prime example of the Gov. Sticking their nose in a completely irrelevant issue. All major retailers provide sales tax, wasting time drafting legislation to go after the little guys is a purely conservative move by the government that's supposedly stimulating the economy. This just shows how much idiocy goes on in Washington, the fact that so many people here rally behind it is mind boggling.

If you really want a conspiracy theme, the lobbyists made them do it.
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What conspiracy? Its simple monetary policy pursued by the Fed. And what doesn't make sense?

yeah, it's a simply monetary stimulus policy that was basically successful. the conspiracy part=thinking the us almost experienced another economic collapse. you'd have to be reading some trashy conspiracy website like newsmax to believe that the us almost experienced another financial crisis akin to the banking crisis
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sure it doesn't inherently, but it's easy to see how issues that were common in feudal times were caused by the lack of a strong central government. like political instability etc

Feudalism requires far more than just the lack of a strong central government.

European feudalism developed from a near universal caste structure that was in place for most of human history, but which is rare now. It also required broader legitimisation from a religious/spiritual authority; this is also less meaningful today.

Also, there are numerous examples of cultures that lacked strong central authority, that were not feudal societies. Many Native American nations are good examples of this.
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How can you sit there with a straight face and say that taxes are collected "to no ones benefit".

I said that the new taxes (or newly enforced taxes) being collected from out of state e-tailers will likely result in no benefit .

It's going to be a significant bureaucratic mess and a great expense to implement and enforce. It will also harm the markets that these taxes are collected from by reducing consumer willingness to consume, just as all price increases will do when there is no corresponding increase in demand.

I never said that taxes in general result in no benefits, but I firmly maintain that the benefits bought with tax dollars could be bought without them, and probably less expensively. Taxes inevitably have major overhead and are far beyond any real control of the people governed. They are inefficient and unjust.
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We have yet to see if anything was successful. For all we know we may just get a higher price level.
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