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False distinction.

The federal government is essentially a corporation that monopolizes the use of force to achieve it's ends. No other corporation or business I've ever encountered can legally force me to buy their product, or throw me in prison and take all my stuff if I refuse what they are selling.

The Federal Government of the US is a Republic institution that is supposed to work insuring the enforcement of laws and the Constitution. To work for the well being of its individual citizens.

It is not in any way a corporation. It doesn't care for its profit (it shouldn't at least).
Privatizing what the Government(s) should control like education, health care, utilities, transportation systems is imho a crime against your own country.

The Army should never seek to make a profit. Not even indirectly. Guess why the war's in Iraq and Afghanistan cost so much to the US citizens - cause ppl got contracted and solely seek to make profit out of them.

Educators should never be forced by the established capital markets. Should strive for proper education, promoting critical thinking and leading innovation, not mass-producing workers (specialized or not). Should be available to all without burdening the parents ontop of taxation. The land of "equal opportunities" has no meaning without sharing the knowledge to its base.

Health Care: should be about the public well fair, and to be equally available to all. Not a field where private/corporate hospitals, millionaire doctors, pharmaceutical corporations and insurance companies hand-shake under the table to keep a nation hostage.

NASA: should never strive to make a profit. It leads innovation, pushes further than any private company would as such innovation involves risks, inspires people to risk their lives for a greater cause - something that no private company and monies can do (soldiers of fortune are hardly the paradigm to strive for). The benefits from such innovations are sawed for decades after (yes, I share believes with Tyson).

Streets, infrastructure, public transport utilities: are not there to make a profit. Are the lubricant that keeps the engine running smoothly.

The profit with all of the above is indirect: inspired security, provided services, pushing the boundaries of knowledge and equal opportunities are the foundations for the private sector to innovate and strive, paying back to the society - the foundation - through taxation.

Taxes are paying BACK what you owe. What you could NEVER do without this "oppressive corporation" and the society of immigrants it pulled together from all over the world.

Almost all of the above are sold out or underfunded right now in the US. The classic way all empires died in history.
The Goverment should take queues from the private sector, yes, but selling out means it compromises the constitutional promises for equal rights to its people, not mimicking the ways of a corporation or even worse selling out to one (or more). Lean government is about efficiency. Not having 20 employees doing the job that 10 could do. It is not about the lack of regulation or taxation.

Who ever says that public healthcare programs are inefficient, should better do some research on what % of a $1 spent goes to patients through those, and what is the equivalent for the private sector.
Also should wonder what kind of % of a $1 donated to churches by average, actually is benefiting 3rd parties, yet the churches are treated as non-profits, in equal rights to the Doctors Without Borders or even the Red Cross (billions upon billions lost in the "holly" places too)

But yeah, keep believing otherwise. Self centered personalities were never in a short supply.

PS: if you think that ppl without governments "do better", I would dare you to offer them your position. It doesn't "happen" that those are living under "3rd world" conditions. Pseudo-anarchism's of this kind are so "cheap"...just like the far left and far right parties in my country...
Edited by pcfoo - 3/23/13 at 2:39pm
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post #182 of 243
You make yourself sound more ignorant with every post dtolios. You should stop.
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post #183 of 243
I can't say I would be for or against this. Many factors to take in to be honest.

But on the state level you can't deny the lost amount of revenue. Many have mentioned states spending more wisely and I can for one agree. Seeing it myself, my state and most others have in place procedures that only cost the citizen more in the end.

The contract system that is used for purchasing anything from an orange to building the roads is just idiotic in most instances. We have to pay $6 for a gallon of bleach compared to 98 cents from DG or WM. Would you pay $6 for a gallon of bleach? Not to mention the Prison system, granted some is awesome, but why pay $400.00 for an office chair when you can get the same from Home Depot for $100.00.

Anything that the prison system makes for the most part we have to order from them no matter the price. They do have some really nice office desks they make at least.

It takes the citizens becoming more aware of how State budgets are spent but frankly majority of citizens can care less.

This is just my simple observation though as I am not a very educated individual compared to many, yet even I can see many errors in the way most govt agencies appropriate funds.
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post #184 of 243
When the state needs funding they can issue bonds. The amount of revenue lost from thus is friggin miniscule. If anything this is an attempt to put more regulation on the net. Please think a little, if you really need funding, there are far better ways to secure more revenue.
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post #185 of 243
I am already charged my state sales tax (Washington) when I buy products from Newegg (California). I'm not sure a federal law is needed in this regard. Even then, I'm not happy about having to pay that tax, since it is unclear which government gets that money.
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Just gonna point out that increasing the disposable part of income isn't a one way street to happiness and eternal growth. Taxes if done right and combined with interest and regulations can slow down inflation as well as provide some of that hated ineffeciency that well to be fair is mostly a good thing. Hell, Reaganomics is based on trickledown, Transfer costs. Private ineffeciency.
 
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This is actually pretty stupid. I do not live in the States. I live in Japan, due to being in the navy. there are a lot of service members through out the world, who do not live in the states. I honestly think it's bad enough that I have to pay local taxes to a school district That my children do not utilize. Plus I do not own property in the state of Ohio so why do I pay taxes for that state when I do not live there.
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post #188 of 243
Taxation is not one way. Tax evading, "special exemptions" and/or loopholes are.

Taxation money can be re-invested in public works and infrastructure and/or returned to citizens of lower income or corporations which do not seek treating their golden boys alone, and become disposable income once enough gov. funding is secured. The way it works with the most successful capitalistic economies in Northern Europe.

A bonds and any form of banking, involves a guarantor. Usually this is the role of the Government. i.e. if things go @@, the Government will pay.

States cannot "issue bonds" without the Fed insuring those will be repaid. No creditor with "just take their word" for it.

If the Government has no cash, will have to sell out fed land etc.

As Huzzbutt said, the rest are just fubar to maintain an unsustainable model of tax exemptions and transferring costs to the lower classes that don't have the political and economical power to lobby and extort their way out of it. Its a Ponzi scheme.

Yes, the Government can be part of it, but proper government is also the only way out.


/on topic: regulation on the net is bad after an extent - i get it, i know it.
This is no "new regulation"...it is just the admittance that internet sales being exempt broke the system of sales tax. Plain and simple.
Laws are not perfect, thus it is right and fair to evolve along with social changes that mandate them.
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post #189 of 243
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I am already charged my state sales tax (Washington) when I buy products from Newegg (California). I'm not sure a federal law is needed in this regard. Even then, I'm not happy about having to pay that tax, since it is unclear which government gets that money.

This only happens if the place you order from(Newegg) has a Nexus in your state of purchase. Newegg has one in Washington apparently, just as they do in Tennessee, where I live. I have to pay taxes from Newegg as well due to this. This new proposal will make it were every state that has a sales tax, whether the business(newegg) has a nexus in said state or not, will still collect the tax if live there. It is nothing new. Anyone that lives in a state that has a sales tax are supposed to, under CURRENT laws, personally turn in any online purchases on your taxes and pay the sales tax at that time. All this new proposal does is change it so that the store is now responsible for collecting those taxes instead of you doing it when you do your taxes at the end of year. This isn't anything new, just changing it so it isn't easily bypassed as it is now. Not sure what the fuss is all about.

If you(general you, not you personally)have a problem with sales tax, that is a whole other discussion. This proposal is just enforcing an already mandated tax. By the way, your state is getting the tax, just the same as going to a brick and mortar store and paying sales tax. It is no different and really should have been this way from the beginning. Many may or may not agree with said sales tax, but that is a whole other discussion and nothing to do with this. Again, just enforcing an already existing tax that was easily being avoided by not reporting it on your year end tax return.
Edited by Strat79 - 3/23/13 at 4:18pm
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This is actually pretty stupid. I do not live in the States. I live in Japan, due to being in the navy. there are a lot of service members through out the world, who do not live in the states. I honestly think it's bad enough that I have to pay local taxes to a school district That my children do not utilize. Plus I do not own property in the state of Ohio so why do I pay taxes for that state when I do not live there.

Because your wise and benevolent dictators believe it's more fair for everyone to be ripped off equally (but some more equally than others) than to only rip off brick and mortar stores. And they will get their pound of flesh, even if it costs them two pounds in exchange.
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