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Originally Posted by 47 Knucklehead View Post

So you actually think "paying lip service" is a GOOD thing? Really? rolleyes.gif

As opposed to no lip service? Blameless is right, there is no significant difference between political parties, but I favor whichever side lets me keep more of my money.
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Might as well get used to it. It will pass and there is nothing anyone can do about it unfortunately.
    
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As opposed to no lip service? Blameless is right, there is no significant difference between political parties, but I favor whichever side lets me keep more of my money.

As do I. That is why I am a Libertarian ... or more to the point, a "Get your damn hands out of my wallet and ASK me before you TAKE from me and leave me the hell alone, aside from very BASIC public things like national DEFENSE (not attacks), BASIC infrastructure, and those things SPECIFICALLY (NOT implied) called out in Article 1, Section 8, of the US Constitution." person. wink.gif

But having said that, I support NEITHER the Democrats or the Republicans any more. I *REFUSE* to sell out my ideals just to have "the lesser of two weasels" win. I'd rather go down with honor and integrity than stand wither neither.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 3/24/13 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Devildog83 View Post

Aha, it must be in King County because I live east of the mountains and never see a tax. You live in a socialist bastian of tax and spend liberals so I am not supprised. We on the other side of the state are getting tired of the wishes of 3 Counties on the west side making laws that we don't want and can't do anything about because the population is packed into 3 Counties and we end up with a Gov. lopsides Dem.
It's been state law for around 5 years now. Close to half the states in the union have internet sales tax laws at this point.
http://www.seattlepi.com/business/article/Buying-online-State-sales-tax-now-awaits-1278065.php

Edit: You're also forgetting that the entire east half of King County has thought about seceding due to not being aligned politically with the west half. The entire county is not of the same mind.
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Knucklehead brings up a point that I think it very pertinent here and is a primary difference between the focus of the federal government now vs. the federal government of many years ago. My problem with the direction we are headed isn't one of too much government per se (although I do think there is too much) - it's more of an issue with states-rights vs federal mandate.

The beauty of our constitution is that it allows for a unified nation of nearly sovereign states - and if left this way would resolve so many issues that we're currently having. There is practically no way for divergent and mutually exclusive ideologies to exist within a single framework of government... but the framers of the constitution found a way - states rights. Have a large group of people that are in support of gay marriage? Pass a law in your state and get it. Don't want to support it? Ditto. Want to have a large, tax-funded welfare program? Yep, just pass a state law. Don't agree with the laws of your state and find yourself in the minority? Move to a state that's more like-minded and be happy.

Take this thread as a perfect example - many of us disagree with each other at such a fundamental level that we will never see eye-to-eye on many policy and economic issues. However, we all are bound together by a mutual enjoyment of a shared interest in which we may also disagree, but we also find camaraderie as well. The problem with growing the federal government over that of individual states is that an amicable solution should only be one that represents the majority of citizens, but many of the areas in which the government is expanding is NOT supported by a majority.

Two cases in point (neither of which I'm in the majority on, but I accept acquiescence as a necessary evil of supporting the majority): welfare reform and gun control. At present a majority of Americans support both of these initiatives - note I said welfare 'reform' not welfare elimination... only a slim minority believe that is a solution. In addition, a majority of citizens also support some form of significant tax reform, and a majority were against the healthcare reform bill (at least as it was presented and passed). In none of these cases, except perhaps maintaining welfare status quo, was the majority represented. We got the healthcare bill that 70% or so were against in many of the last minute polls, the gun control bill was so poorly crafted it's not even being fully supported by some of the senators that were involved in supporting it initially, and we have not even made a valid attempt at tax reform in years.

So many people talk about how one side or the other caters to special interests... but in reality they both pretty much only cater to special interests, and neither are truly representing the only class of people that actually have to pay for everything.
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The beauty of our constitution is that it allows for a unified nation of nearly sovereign states - and if left this way would resolve so many issues that we're currently having. There is practically no way for divergent and mutually exclusive ideologies to exist within a single framework of government... but the framers of the constitution found a way - states rights. Have a large group of people that are in support of gay marriage? Pass a law in your state and get it. Don't want to support it? Ditto. Want to have a large, tax-funded welfare program? Yep, just pass a state law. Don't agree with the laws of your state and find yourself in the minority? Move to a state that's more like-minded and be happy.
The US did actually try that for a while, see the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work hence why the constitution superseded it.
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The US did actually try that for a while, see the Articles of Confederation. It didn't work hence why the constitution superseded it.
I wish we had kept the Articles of Confederation. So many of our current day problems wouldn't be issues at all if we had.
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How is this thread still open? I've seen threads locked for the mere mention of a political/religious figure/idea but 3 days of nonstop, straight up political bickering and this still remains open. Even the majority of the extreme violation posts have not been removed. It has been entertaining, but think it is time to kill it off.
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How is this thread still open? I've seen threads locked for the mere mention of a political/religious figure/idea but 3 days of nonstop, straight up political bickering and this still remains open. Even the majority of the extreme violation posts have not been removed. It has been entertaining, but think it is time to kill it off.

Couldn't agree more.

This thread has been derailed for too long, filled with the tin foils.

This thread was so suppose to be about a bill on taxing online purchases.

Not how government is evil.
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Couldn't agree more.

This thread has been derailed for too long, filled with the tin foils.

This thread was so suppose to be about a bill on taxing online purchases.

Not how government is evil.

You say tomato... wink.gif But I do agree with you... still entertaining nonetheless.
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