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I don't know anything about the American tax system, but I can't see the likes of Amazon, Google, Apple & Microsoft laying down and taking this....

Yup, this.

Plus, you separately pay the VAT here in Europe. I don't see how the USA is different wth.gif
   
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post #52 of 243
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I was really wondering why federal taxes were not applied at least. In canada only federal tax is applied and that's 5% vs 15% enough to prevent my to buy local (most of the time they try to milk you with price-match including shipping).

There currently are no Federal sales taxes in the United States. Not to say that they couldn't do so in the future, as Article 1 Section 8 states:
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"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises... but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States".

Only Congress has the ability to regulate interstate commerce, and it would be constitutional to mandate that companies collect and remit taxes on sales to citizens of differing states to said citizen's state of residence. As it currently stands, existing law only forces companies to do that for customers of any state that said company has a "nexus" (i.e. a physical presence such as a warehouse, call center, or manufacturing plant) therein.

As for sales to international customers, I don't believe anything would be affected. This entire situation is originating from the 50 state governments being upset that their citizens are dodging sales taxes by buying things out-of-state. There isn't any agitation on this front towards collecting taxes from those overseas.
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As for sales to international customers, I don't believe anything would be affected. This entire situation is originating from the 50 state governments being upset that their citizens are dodging sales taxes by buying things out-of-state. There isn't any agitation on this front towards collecting taxes from those overseas.

There are numerous States that have no sales tax on anything or certain items. This is where the problem is. There are reasons both to support having taxes on eCommerce and not to.

There are many States that have either recently gone into bankruptcy and some that are in very near too it. A sales tax on eCommerce may be able to generate the revenue to help the State overcome that situation. On the flip side for the consumer this will mean things may cost more or less via the internet depending on where you live. Thinking just locally; Maryland has no Sales tax on Food products, Delaware has no Sales tax what so ever, Pennsylvania has no Sales tax on clothing (I think consumable goods in general). However other states have Sales taxes as high as 10% some 5% and everywhere in between. The way the proposal is written is to have the Sales tax imposed on where the consumer lives based on that States Sales tax. Another side to this 3 sided coin is the bricks and mortar stores lose business which supports local jobs and economy also too.
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post #54 of 243
A little less spending on "protecting the world" would even things out. Honestly, if they do it would cut me shopping online by 75%. This sucks..... redface.gif
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Even in the states, if your not charges a sales tax by the retailer for an online purchase, your still suppose to report the purchase and pay taxes. Just because its not collected at the checkout, doesn't mean your not supposed to pay it.

At least thats my understanding of things, but I could be wrong.

If true, those who do not report the purchases they didn't pay taxes on at checkout are dodging taxes, and thats illegal.

But as I said above, I'm not 100% certain of this... I think its something to do with if they don't have a physical location in the state, they don't have to collect the state taxes on purchases themselves or something like that.
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There are numerous States that have no sales tax on anything or certain items. This is where the problem is. There are reasons both to support having taxes on eCommerce and not to.

There are many States that have either recently gone into bankruptcy and some that are in very near too it. A sales tax on eCommerce may be able to generate the revenue to help the State overcome that situation. On the flip side for the consumer this will mean things may cost more or less via the internet depending on where you live. Thinking just locally; Maryland has no Sales tax on Food products, Delaware has no Sales tax what so ever, Pennsylvania has no Sales tax on clothing (I think consumable goods in general). However other states have Sales taxes as high as 10% some 5% and everywhere in between. The way the proposal is written is to have the Sales tax imposed on where the consumer lives based on that States Sales tax. Another side to this 3 sided coin is the bricks and mortar stores lose business which supports local jobs and economy also too.

States that don't have sales taxes usually have their own income taxes (separate from Federal income taxes) instead. That's what Oregon does, for example.

Anyhow, it's not really about new taxes on e-commerce, it's basically a way of enforcing existing "use taxes" for people who bring things into a state that haven't had sales taxes levied on them previously in the state of sale/origin.

When was the last time that someone reported to their state government buying something expensive out-of-state and actually paid the "use tax" they're supposed to? The state governments currently have no way to monitor that kind of thing, so it's well-nigh impossible to enforce it without this new law.

I'm not thrilled about the prospect of paying sales tax for out-of-state purchases, but the government will do almost anything to get "their" money.
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A little less spending on "protecting the world" would even things out. Honestly, if they do it would cut me shopping online by 75%. This sucks..... redface.gif

National defense is a Federal responsibility paid by Federal taxes. State sales taxes have nothing to do with that. I hope that you're not an American, because that's Civics 101 right there.
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what if ... someone from Finland buys something from Oregon ?

i dont think its a good idea to charge tax to a internet sale , its going to be more complicated than we think


... this is a fight between the non-internet store "stores" and the internet ones , thats all frown.gif

They pay the tax just like a guy from Oregon would if he bought something from Finland (VAT)?

A guy from Oregon would never buy something from here though, with high prices and 24% VAT there's no point.
 
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They pay the tax just like a guy from Oregon would if he bought something from Finland (VAT)?

A guy from Oregon would never buy something from here though, with high prices and 24% VAT there's no point.

Assuming pre-tax prices are equal, a guy from Oregon would buy stuff from his local brick-and-mortar store since there's no sales tax in that state (only 1 of 5 states as such). A better example would be California, with their sky-high taxes.

On a tangent, Finland charges VAT to out-of-country buyers? The only European country I've bought stuff from is the UK (via Amazon.co.uk), and they didn't charge me VAT (I know this since they dropped the displayed price by like 20% during the check-out process).
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National defense is a Federal responsibility paid by Federal taxes. State sales taxes have nothing to do with that. I hope that you're not an American, because that's Civics 101 right there.

I was joking dude (everyone basically says that lame line when they disagree with something). I know why they are considering it, but as an consumer, I don't want to see it. I knew an old veteran was going to catch me..... wink.gif
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VAT only applies to citizens of countries in which it is instituted. when I went to Ireland, had I saved all my receipts and wanted to waste the time, I could have filed for a VAT refund when I left for the states...though that was in 2009...so it makes sense that we wouldn't pay for VAT even on an online transaction
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