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lol.

There would be riots from all the people on welfare. lol
     
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That part's simple. The company collects the tax based on the customer's state of residence, and remits it to said state. The authority would come from Congress, which has jurisdiction under the Constitution to regulate interstate commerce.

Here's an example: Bob (who lives in Kentucky) buys a widget from Amazon, which is based in Washington state. Amazon would levy and collect Kentucky's 6% sales tax on the purchase (since Bob lives there) and remit that sum to that state's treasury.

As for where the item was warehoused before sale, it would make absolutely no difference to the outcome under the proposed law.

In your example, the thing is that since Amazon has a brick and motar located in Kentuck already that should already be charging Kentucky residents sales tax.
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In your example, the thing is that since Amazon has a brick and motar located in Kentuck already that should already be charging Kentucky residents sales tax.

I did not know that. Since I live in Washington state, all my Amazon orders come from their Seattle-area warehouse. But that's what I get for picking locations for my example randomly... wink.gif
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Not really sure how the US tax system works but sales tax actually isn't that bad of a thing if it results in a number of more menial taxes are removed.

There's an argument in Australia atm to raise the sales tax from 10% to 15% and it actually makes a lot of sense because what they are proposing to do is once the tax is upped to 15%, they are removing other smaller taxes that are harder to collect revenue from (from an admin pov) which will ultimately save the country a lot of money in administration and tax collection. So even though you're paying the same level of tax, the 15% GST is much easier to collect and administrate than a whole bunch of small taxes. So for each tax dollar, we will end up getting more out of it despite the fact we are paying the same amount.

That is the type of approach this tax should take, hit you on one side, but then relieve you on another. I know the US has a relatively large anti-welfare sentiment, but the money saved on administration of smaller taxes and the cost of actually collecting those taxes will be put back into the system through welfare and other services that benefit the society. So this could actually be a decent move.

Just because you see the word "tax" doesn't mean its always a bad thing.

Although I'm not entirely sure what is being proposed here and what level of tax, so this could very well be negative.
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Gross misunderstanding. Really?
Lets just assume that 50% of the people now do most of their shopping online. If 10% (very generous) of that 50% actually pay taxes on their online purchase, we are talking about a 45% decrease in sales tax revenue. Consider this on top of the various decreases in federal income tax over the last decade+ and you have anemically funded central/state government who is responsible for funding schools, roads, subsidizing farmers, military defense, welfare, medicare etc. etc.

Everyone replies to my post " Blah blah just spend better... spend less... More taxes are the Devil..." Wake up, if the situation was so simple we wouldn't be in such dire straits. Besides cutting military spending in half(which still won't decrease costs nearly enough), What are your proposed solutions???
I'm waiting........

Just cutting government spending is not as helpful as it sounds. Jobs end up being lost which just creates a worse economic situation. Generally speaking government spending should be increased in a recession or depression to stimulate economic growth and create jobs.

This is a very complex economic problem and just spending less or more intelligently is not going to make it all go away. Revenue must be increased. You can all complain and whatnot as much as you like. The bill will most likely pass. I don't want to pay more taxes, but that's not to say that they are not needed.

This (bolded).

Australia did that during the recent GFC and we are probably in the best economic position of almost any OECD nation. The government went and spent billions to create job opportunities by upgrading schools, hospitals, roads, investing in infrastructure. At the time, quite a lot of people (the supporters of the party not in power) were against spending the money crying that we will be in debt and cripple the nation blah blah. Look on some 5-6 years later, we are still in a bit of a flat spot but compared to the US, UK, Canada, EU zone, we are in really good economic shape. Not only that, but the buget should be in surplus next year or the year after iirc.

So very good point thumb.gif
post #96 of 243
Only 10-15% sales tax? You guys are really lucky - we pay 20% on EVERYTHING (except most, "non-luxury" food).

Also this www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqK97av7I3s
 
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This isn't the first time one of these bills has popped up. It will get shot down. Remember a few years ago when NewEgg tried enforcing this? Yeah, that didn't go over too well...
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Gross misunderstanding. Really?
Lets just assume that 50% of the people now do most of their shopping online. If 10% (very generous) of that 50% actually pay taxes on their online purchase, we are talking about a 45% decrease in sales tax revenue. Consider this on top of the various decreases in federal income tax over the last decade+ and you have anemically funded central/state government who is responsible for funding schools, roads, subsidizing farmers, military defense, welfare, medicare etc. etc.

Everyone replies to my post " Blah blah just spend better... spend less... More taxes are the Devil..." Wake up, if the situation was so simple we wouldn't be in such dire straits. Besides cutting military spending in half(which still won't decrease costs nearly enough), What are your proposed solutions???
I'm waiting........

Just cutting government spending is not as helpful as it sounds. Jobs end up being lost which just creates a worse economic situation. Generally speaking government spending should be increased in a recession or depression to stimulate economic growth and create jobs.

This is a very complex economic problem and just spending less or more intelligently is not going to make it all go away. Revenue must be increased. You can all complain and whatnot as much as you like. The bill will most likely pass. I don't want to pay more taxes, but that's not to say that they are not needed.

So you have no numbers outside of arbitrary percentages then? No projected tax revenue in relation to government spending? Do you know what role the government plays in job markets? Do you know what our national expenditures are (or have a rough idea)? Would you care to relate how, historically, government growth during recessions and depressions has effected those recessions and depressions? These are all fairly easy to look up and I look forward to your answers.

Really, though, I'll settle for evidence that supports your initial argument, in lieu of the rest. More on topic than the rest.
    
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Not really sure how the US tax system works but sales tax actually isn't that bad of a thing if it results in a number of more menial taxes are removed.

There's an argument in Australia atm to raise the sales tax from 10% to 15% and it actually makes a lot of sense because what they are proposing to do is once the tax is upped to 15%, they are removing other smaller taxes that are harder to collect revenue from (from an admin pov) which will ultimately save the country a lot of money in administration and tax collection. So even though you're paying the same level of tax, the 15% GST is much easier to collect and administrate than a whole bunch of small taxes. So for each tax dollar, we will end up getting more out of it despite the fact we are paying the same amount.

That is the type of approach this tax should take, hit you on one side, but then relieve you on another. I know the US has a relatively large anti-welfare sentiment, but the money saved on administration of smaller taxes and the cost of actually collecting those taxes will be put back into the system through welfare and other services that benefit the society. So this could actually be a decent move.

Just because you see the word "tax" doesn't mean its always a bad thing.

Although I'm not entirely sure what is being proposed here and what level of tax, so this could very well be negative.

I think that (the emphasis in the quote) is what has people somewhat up in arms here. There is no denying the fact that the US needs to raise revenue at both the federal level and the state levels respectively. And yes, if the government were a trustworthy, ethical body of intelligent 'governors' - you'd have me behind a similar initiative in a heartbeat. The problem is that in the past (and I don't mean the past few years - I mean pretty much throughout the history of the country) as soon as a new source of revenue is 'created' in the form of a tax, fee, license, etc... the bureaucrats have already spent that revenue before it even hits the coffers. So now they can't afford to actually go back and eliminate the onerous taxes and revenues they promised would be replaced by the new set. The net result is that we are continually spending more and getting less. Look at the EU as the guide. They have much higher sales taxes than we do - but do they have huge surpluses, or are they busily now trying to figure out where the money will come from? Same applies here - only UNLIKE the EU (where at least in many countries they are trying to cut spending as well as raise revenue) - our representatives, if they can be called that, can't even agree on the smallest of meaningful cuts... and when they do, they backload the bill with so much pork it defeats the purpose by the time it gets passed.

Don't have a solution really - not even sure there is one at this point - but just adding more money hasn't helped in the past and I'm sure it won't help in the future either until EVERYONE gets serious about the problem.
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I think that (the emphasis in the quote) is what has people somewhat up in arms here. There is no denying the fact that the US needs to raise revenue at both the federal level and the state levels respectively. And yes, if the government were a trustworthy, ethical body of intelligent 'governors' - you'd have me behind a similar initiative in a heartbeat. The problem is that in the past (and I don't mean the past few years - I mean pretty much throughout the history of the country) as soon as a new source of revenue is 'created' in the form of a tax, fee, license, etc... the bureaucrats have already spent that revenue before it even hits the coffers. So now they can't afford to actually go back and eliminate the onerous taxes and revenues they promised would be replaced by the new set. The net result is that we are continually spending more and getting less. Look at the EU as the guide. They have much higher sales taxes than we do - but do they have huge surpluses, or are they busily now trying to figure out where the money will come from? Same applies here - only UNLIKE the EU (where at least in many countries they are trying to cut spending as well as raise revenue) - our representatives, if they can be called that, can't even agree on the smallest of meaningful cuts... and when they do, they backload the bill with so much pork it defeats the purpose by the time it gets passed.

Don't have a solution really - not even sure there is one at this point - but just adding more money hasn't helped in the past and I'm sure it won't help in the future either until EVERYONE gets serious about the problem.

Technodemocracy vs Democrazy.

The difference between EU and US boils down to a simple little difference, egality vs liberty. In europe most countries and governments regardless of political agenda strives towards egality to some degree whilst the US strives in an other direction. This is simple economics. Levying taxes when voters can anticipate a personal gain is far easier than levying taxes when the governments budget except for infrastructure and nightwatch doesn't affect the general population. It's not politics, it's economics:

A sales tax in europe will benefit the buyer personally to a greater extent than in the US.

Actually it's not really economics it's simple sales psychology: does the gain justify the price.
 
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