Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [TechCrunch] Apple Patents iPhone Drop Protection Mechanisms That Are Built Right Into The Device
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

[TechCrunch] Apple Patents iPhone Drop Protection Mechanisms That Are Built Right Into The Device - Page 8

post #71 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by un-midas touch View Post

I mean you really should still concede that you're stretching pretty far when you state that ALL x86 systems are more fragile for some reason. Especially when there's stuff like this out there:

Actually that hardware wasn't so much designed for ruggedness but as to not leak out EM radiation that had sensitive data in it. Tempest and all that compromising emanations stuff.
The Core
(5 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i5 Z77 Extreme4 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 
RAM
32GB 
  hide details  
Reply
The Core
(5 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
Intel Core i5 Z77 Extreme4 Intel(R) HD Graphics 4000 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 
RAM
32GB 
  hide details  
Reply
post #72 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubers View Post

I was hoping that the phone would crystallise and announce "MAXIMUM ARMOUR" mid-air and then slam down as hard as it wants without breaking...

lol i am laughing so hard at work right now...that is great
 
HTPC
(10 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 (OC'd to 4.02ghz) EVGA x58 Classified 3 (2x) EVGA GTX 670 4GB Superclocked in SLI Corsair Dominator GT 12GB DDR3 2000MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial C300 256GB SSD / WD Caviar Black 1TB / ... Samsung Blu-Ray burner Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (3x) ASUS VG236HE w/ XFX Tri-Stand & amBX Lights 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech g510 Corsair AX 1200W Corsair Obsidian 800D Razer Deathadder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Vespula Titanium HD  Bowers & Wilkins 686 (Pair) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3500 Llano 2.1GHz   ASRock A75M FM1 AMD A75 ASUS ENGT430 G.SKILL 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 160 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
(4) HITACHI Deskstar 0S03230 3TB 5400 RPM   Crucial M4 64GB  SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium  
PowerCase
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W  Moneual Black Aluminum MonCaso 320B  
  hide details  
Reply
 
HTPC
(10 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 (OC'd to 4.02ghz) EVGA x58 Classified 3 (2x) EVGA GTX 670 4GB Superclocked in SLI Corsair Dominator GT 12GB DDR3 2000MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Crucial C300 256GB SSD / WD Caviar Black 1TB / ... Samsung Blu-Ray burner Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit (3x) ASUS VG236HE w/ XFX Tri-Stand & amBX Lights 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech g510 Corsair AX 1200W Corsair Obsidian 800D Razer Deathadder 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Vespula Titanium HD  Bowers & Wilkins 686 (Pair) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
AMD A6-3500 Llano 2.1GHz   ASRock A75M FM1 AMD A75 ASUS ENGT430 G.SKILL 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 160 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveOS
(4) HITACHI Deskstar 0S03230 3TB 5400 RPM   Crucial M4 64GB  SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium  
PowerCase
OCZ ModXStream Pro 600W  Moneual Black Aluminum MonCaso 320B  
  hide details  
Reply
post #73 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by zerobahamut View Post

lol i am laughing so hard at work right now...that is great

someone seriously needs to make a youtube video parody of this.
 
Work Rig
(11 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2700k @ 4.5GHz  Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3 Asus GTX 1070 Strix OC G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSKeyboard
Crucial M4 128GB + 1TB F3 + Crucial M500 256GB Noctua NH-D15S Windows 10 Pro Cooler Master Novatouch TKL 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master V1000 600T SE Roccat Kone XTD Steel Series 9HD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 Rampage III Gene 2x EVGA GTX 680 SLI 24gb HyperX 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
960GB Crucial M500 Intel Stock Windows 7 64bit Enterprise HP ZR2440w + Z24i 
KeyboardPowerCase
Ducky Brown Antec TP-750 Antec Sonata 
  hide details  
Reply
 
Work Rig
(11 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2700k @ 4.5GHz  Asus P8Z68-V/Gen3 Asus GTX 1070 Strix OC G.Skill Ripjaws 16GB 
Hard DriveCoolingOSKeyboard
Crucial M4 128GB + 1TB F3 + Crucial M500 256GB Noctua NH-D15S Windows 10 Pro Cooler Master Novatouch TKL 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Cooler Master V1000 600T SE Roccat Kone XTD Steel Series 9HD 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 950 Rampage III Gene 2x EVGA GTX 680 SLI 24gb HyperX 
Hard DriveCoolingOSMonitor
960GB Crucial M500 Intel Stock Windows 7 64bit Enterprise HP ZR2440w + Z24i 
KeyboardPowerCase
Ducky Brown Antec TP-750 Antec Sonata 
  hide details  
Reply
post #74 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

...What? NASCAR requires cars to automatically adjust angle before impending impact? There's no compression zones or re-enforce internal structure here... so what do you mean?


Cheaper for who? Consumers would be happier if their phones did not break. With economies of scale, some components to shift weight will eventually be only a few dollalrs per phone.

NASCAR roof flaps

Apple has to go through the process of creating these features. Some variations (see the gas idea) are likely one time use as well. Having them "eventually" be only a few dollars for a moderate decrease in phone breaks is what I'm talking about. At the moment that tech is not cheap and adds weight and size to the phone. The end user will likely have to cover the cost of these mechanisms that only moderately help to prevent the phone breaking when falling. Right now it's a cost that is likely too much in comparison to the risk.

I don't know about you, but I've never had a phone break from dropping it. I know people who have dropped it into water that breaks it but these things don't help with that, accidentally crushing it, or the many other non-fall based methods of breaking a phone.

Edit: I also get the feeling this will have height range restrictions of where it will help. If the phone adjusts too early on a big fall it could end up being useless depending on the method of correction. Too late on a short fall the same way. There is also the chance of it deploying when a person moves a phone to fast or something and actually being the cause of a fall. I advocate making the phone itself stronger instead because it also helps protecting it from non-fall damage as well.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

Obviously most OCN users are anti-Apple zealots with brick for a brain.

Swing and a miss. My argument had nothing to do with Apple. I don't see this working out well on any platform. It may be a nice feature when it gets really cheap, but until then its a waste. It's like a Raid 1 setup. Having to use two really expensive drives is a lot of money and generally not necessary, but it's a nice thing to have if the drives are cheap.
Edited by Kirmie - 3/22/13 at 9:00am
My giant
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6600 lapped Asus P5n32-E 680i GeForce 9800GT 512MB 2x1GB (unused ATM) & 2x2Gb Corsair XMS2 PC6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WDJS SATA-II 160GB + WD80GB + WDAAKS Raid0 320GB Aperature FSII 19" LCD Apevia DarkSide 600W 
Case
NZXT Zero 
  hide details  
Reply
My giant
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6600 lapped Asus P5n32-E 680i GeForce 9800GT 512MB 2x1GB (unused ATM) & 2x2Gb Corsair XMS2 PC6400 
Hard DriveOSMonitorPower
WDJS SATA-II 160GB + WD80GB + WDAAKS Raid0 320GB Aperature FSII 19" LCD Apevia DarkSide 600W 
Case
NZXT Zero 
  hide details  
Reply
post #75 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by perfectblade View Post

1. um yes i do. i'm not talking about software, i'm talking about hardware. and x86 and arm=different hardware, correct? that's why i said the iphone and smartphones in general are tougher
2. sure ssd makes a massive difference since the weakest point in a laptop is the hd. however the motherboard is still pretty weak for x86 systems. and on top of that x86 systems are way heavier, which increases the damage when dropped.

Not quite... you are absolutely wrong in comparing x86 and ARM.

What you probably mean is that more integrated systems have less components that can break.

A x86 SoC is as durable as a ARM SoC. Solid state electronics are extremely resilent to shock.

How can you even claim that an Intel Atom Z2460 is fragile?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirmie View Post

NASCAR roof flaps

Apple has to go through the process of creating these features. Some variations (see the gas idea) are likely one time use as well. Having them "eventually" be only a few dollars for a moderate decrease in phone breaks is what I'm talking about. At the moment that tech is not cheap and adds weight and size to the phone. The end user will likely have to cover the cost of these mechanisms that only moderately help to prevent the phone breaking when falling. Right now it's a cost that is likely too much in comparison to the risk.
.
Good to know about the NASCAR tech.

Apple has over $100B in near cash.... that allows them to do plenty of "blue sky" research. You are right in that this tech may never be implemented.

However, if they come up with some novel implementation like the border around the phone expands out. Sure, there will be an upfront cost... but we are talking about tens of millions of products here. If this could reduce RMAs by even 20%, that's a lot of money. Besides, it would be a selling feature.
Edited by DuckieHo - 3/22/13 at 9:04am
Once again...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 [4.28GHz, HT] Asus P6T + Broadcom NetXtreme II VisionTek HD5850 [900/1200] + Galaxy GT240 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaw X [1632 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Truepower New 750W Li Lian PC-V2100 [10x120mm fans] Logitech G9 X-Trac Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
Once again...
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7 920 [4.28GHz, HT] Asus P6T + Broadcom NetXtreme II VisionTek HD5850 [900/1200] + Galaxy GT240 2x4GB G.Skill Ripjaw X [1632 MHz] 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Intel X25-M 160GB + 3xRAID0 500GB 7200.12 Window 7 Pro 64 Acer H243H + Samsung 226BW XARMOR-U9BL  
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Antec Truepower New 750W Li Lian PC-V2100 [10x120mm fans] Logitech G9 X-Trac Pro 
  hide details  
Reply
post #76 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirmie View Post

NASCAR roof flaps

Apple has to go through the process of creating these features. Some variations (see the gas idea) are likely one time use as well. Having them "eventually" be only a few dollars for a moderate decrease in phone breaks is what I'm talking about. At the moment that tech is not cheap and adds weight and size to the phone. The end user will likely have to cover the cost of these mechanisms that only moderately help to prevent the phone breaking when falling. Right now it's a cost that is likely too much in comparison to the risk.

I don't know about you, but I've never had a phone break from dropping it. I know people who have dropped it into water that breaks it but these things don't help with that, accidentally crushing it, or the many other non-fall based methods of breaking a phone.

Edit: I also get the feeling this will have height range restrictions of where it will help. If the phone adjusts too early on a big fall it could end up being useless depending on the method of correction. Too late on a short fall the same way. There is also the chance of it deploying when a person moves a phone to fast or something and actually being the cause of a fall. I advocate making the phone itself stronger instead because it also helps protecting it from non-fall damage as well.
Swing and a miss. My argument had nothing to do with Apple. I don't see this working out well on any platform. It may be a nice feature when it gets really cheap, but until then its a waste. It's like a Raid 1 setup. Having to use two really expensive drives is a lot of money and generally not necessary, but it's a nice thing to have if the drives are cheap.

Hey look, it only took five pages for another person with an iota of common sense to make a post regarding the topic at hand, instead of mindless apple bashing / apple fanboy nonsense.
Arcane
(33 items)
 
Sanctum
(9 items)
 
Fukurou
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 MSI B350M Mortar Arctic RX Vega 64 G.Skill TridentZ  
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
Samsung EVO 960 Consatellation Windows 10 Pro Corsair HX 1050 
Case
Raijintek Aeneas White Window 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Core i5-661 GA-H55-USB3 12GB DDR3 1333 WD Caviar Black AALS 640GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Green EARS 2TB Vertex Turbo 60GB (SSD) Samsung Blu-ray, Samsung DVD Burner H50 (With push/pull nocturas) 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Professional 64 LG 47inch LED LCD Saitek Eclipse Lite-touch Wireless Seasonic X750 Gold 
CaseAudio
CM690 II Passive bookshelfspeakers + amp. 
  hide details  
Reply
Arcane
(33 items)
 
Sanctum
(9 items)
 
Fukurou
(15 items)
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Ryzen 7 1700 MSI B350M Mortar Arctic RX Vega 64 G.Skill TridentZ  
Hard DriveHard DriveOSPower
Samsung EVO 960 Consatellation Windows 10 Pro Corsair HX 1050 
Case
Raijintek Aeneas White Window 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
Core i5-661 GA-H55-USB3 12GB DDR3 1333 WD Caviar Black AALS 640GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Green EARS 2TB Vertex Turbo 60GB (SSD) Samsung Blu-ray, Samsung DVD Burner H50 (With push/pull nocturas) 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Windows 10 Professional 64 LG 47inch LED LCD Saitek Eclipse Lite-touch Wireless Seasonic X750 Gold 
CaseAudio
CM690 II Passive bookshelfspeakers + amp. 
  hide details  
Reply
post #77 of 115
I reiterate my idea about using the vibrator as a gyroscopic stabilization device.
The Mad Cow
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz Gigabyte H61M-S2H HIS Radeon HD 6670 Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 ... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Blue Samsung/Hitachi something or other assortment of leftovers from old systems hot-gl... Xubuntu 15.04 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Sony whatevs Logitech K400 Thermaltake Smart650 Hand-me-down Gateway case 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Can you believe I got it at a gas station? worth more than the software it came with. Sup... JVC XX in-ears Logitech f310 
  hide details  
Reply
The Mad Cow
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz Gigabyte H61M-S2H HIS Radeon HD 6670 Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 ... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Blue Samsung/Hitachi something or other assortment of leftovers from old systems hot-gl... Xubuntu 15.04 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Sony whatevs Logitech K400 Thermaltake Smart650 Hand-me-down Gateway case 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Can you believe I got it at a gas station? worth more than the software it came with. Sup... JVC XX in-ears Logitech f310 
  hide details  
Reply
post #78 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by un-midas touch View Post

I reiterate my idea about using the vibrator as a gyroscopic stabilization device.

I don't know how well that could work though. Wouldn't it have to be balanced to work as a gyroscope?

How about instead we use titanium shells, with a lip just large enough to keep the device from completely laying flat on its glass, and have some sort of a thin rubber gasket around the glass, between the glass and the titanium shell. Titanium is very hard, and doesn't dent as easily as aluminum, the rubber gasket, while not adding any actual thickness to the bezel, would help dampen the impact between the bezel and glass.

And who gives a crap about how much the titanium would cost. I think it would work
Taiga's 2nd wind
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 6600K Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming G.Skill Ripjaws V series 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital 1TB HDD Mushkin Enhanced Eco2 SSD Silverstone TD02-Lite Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G257HU Roccat Isku Corsair CX600M Antec P182 
MouseMouse Pad
Roccat Kone+ SteelSeries 
  hide details  
Reply
Taiga's 2nd wind
(14 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i5 6600K Gigabyte GA-Z170XP-SLI Gigabyte GTX 970 G1 Gaming G.Skill Ripjaws V series 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital 1TB HDD Mushkin Enhanced Eco2 SSD Silverstone TD02-Lite Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Acer G257HU Roccat Isku Corsair CX600M Antec P182 
MouseMouse Pad
Roccat Kone+ SteelSeries 
  hide details  
Reply
post #79 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenkitsune View Post

I don't know how well that could work though. Wouldn't it have to be balanced to work as a gyroscope?

Nope. Any mass undergoing centrifugal force exhibits gyroscopic properties. An unbalanced centrifugal orbit doesn't hold it's axial position very well, but it will still resist changes in orientation (edit: think hula hoop).

Now this will still need some other updates. much smarter and more responsive motion detection. But all the basic components are already there to cause the phone to at least resist spinning in the air, which could theoretically be used to direct the phone to avoid landing at a compromising angle. I think.
Edited by un-midas touch - 3/22/13 at 11:02am
The Mad Cow
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz Gigabyte H61M-S2H HIS Radeon HD 6670 Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 ... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Blue Samsung/Hitachi something or other assortment of leftovers from old systems hot-gl... Xubuntu 15.04 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Sony whatevs Logitech K400 Thermaltake Smart650 Hand-me-down Gateway case 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Can you believe I got it at a gas station? worth more than the software it came with. Sup... JVC XX in-ears Logitech f310 
  hide details  
Reply
The Mad Cow
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3570 CPU @ 3.40GHz Gigabyte H61M-S2H HIS Radeon HD 6670 Kingston 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 ... 
Hard DriveOptical DriveCoolingOS
Western Digital Caviar Blue Samsung/Hitachi something or other assortment of leftovers from old systems hot-gl... Xubuntu 15.04 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
Sony whatevs Logitech K400 Thermaltake Smart650 Hand-me-down Gateway case 
MouseMouse PadAudioOther
Can you believe I got it at a gas station? worth more than the software it came with. Sup... JVC XX in-ears Logitech f310 
  hide details  
Reply
post #80 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post

Not quite... you are absolutely wrong in comparing x86 and ARM.

What you probably mean is that more integrated systems have less components that can break.

A x86 SoC is as durable as a ARM SoC. Solid state electronics are extremely resilent to shock.

How can you even claim that an Intel Atom Z2460 is fragile?

fair point. but typically arm devices are more integrated at this point. and people complain when intel wants to move toward greater integration
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Technology and Science News
Overclock.net › Forums › Industry News › Technology and Science News › [TechCrunch] Apple Patents iPhone Drop Protection Mechanisms That Are Built Right Into The Device