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Poll Results: Is the upgrade worth the money.

 
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    Yes, at any cost.
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    Yes, only if you can do it on the cheap.
  • 25% (1)
    Not worth the money.
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To start, I'm on the fence on even building a new PC or upgrading. As of right now I primarily play GTA4 (getting 5 when its out), WoW, Supreme Commander 2, Empire Total War, Mass Effects 1-3, Battlefield: BC2, BF3, Red Faction 3 & 4, and some others. When I play them, its at full 1080P and everything maxed. The only one that is limited is GTA4 and thats on draw distance. My sig rig can handle them, but I want to get some more overhead than I have right now plus have more head room for multiple VMs to run simultaneously. What I was thinking was the following:

CPU - AMD FX-8350 4.0GHz 8-Core
MB - Gigabyte GA-990FXA-UD5 Motherboard
RAM - Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 32GB 1866 DDR3
Video - 2x MSI R7870-2GD5T/OC Radeon HD 7870 GHz Edition 2GB GDDR5 (EDITED 2x GPUs)
SSD/HDD - Salvaged from sig rig
Opticals - Salvaged from sig rig
Case - Salvaged from sig rig
PSU - Salvaged from sig rig
Monitors - Same as sig rig (maybe four more for eyefinity down the road)

My two big questions are these:
1. Will the difference in my sig rig and the above be a noticeable difference or is it negligible in terms of processing power.
2. Will the difference in my sig rig and the above be a noticeable difference or is it negligible in terms of graphical power.

EDIT: Forgot to do dual GPU...
Edited by NameUnknown - 3/21/13 at 12:39pm
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You could swap out the HD 7870 with this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202024
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You could swap out the HD 7870 with this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202024

Will the boost in memory speed make up for the drop in core speed and increase in price? I can do fine with card standings in terms of GPU lines, but once you get into the individual GPU line I get shaky. Just haven't played around with my GPUs that much to tweak the most out of them.
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Will the boost in memory speed make up for the drop in core speed and increase in price? I can do fine with card standings in terms of GPU lines, but once you get into the individual GPU line I get shaky. Just haven't played around with my GPUs that much to tweak the most out of them.

You might want to take a look at benchmarks to really see a difference. There is a world of difference between the Pitcairn 7870 (HD and GHz editions) and the Tahiti 7870(Sapphire 7870 XT or one of the other Tahitis). It is basically a 7930, a gimped 7950. It performs as well or better than the 660ti in most benches. This link shows a benchmark that compares the Tahiti chips at stock speed. You can find others that compare Tahiti vs Pitcairn vs Nvidia if you like. thumb.gif Hope this helped.

Also, 32GB is normally excessive, but as you are running multiple VM machines you might actually use some of it. If all else fails and you don't touch the full use, you can always RAMdisk it.
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agree with what Terrere said.

going from your Asus HD5970 to two Pitcairn 7870 isn't much difference in terms of
gpu power (more video ram). for a GPU upgrade either a HD 7950 or [bette]r two 7870 XT
(Powercolor 7870 Myst edition or the Sapphire XT).

what about going water and adding a 5870 for trifire action. if you are staying at 1080p
you don't need the extra vram (right now). skip the current generation and go for the next
steamroller when it is released if you can hold out that long. got the upgrade itch myself.
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First: don't SLI unless it's top end (or just under top end) cards, for a variety of reasons. Also your resolution is only 1920x1080p. There's not much reason to go hog wild here.

Second: RAM is like hard drive space. Not having enough is a major problem. Having too much is absolutely useless. 2x4gb is the standard "more than enough while not going crazy" amount at the moment. 32 gb is just wasting money unless you are running some esoteric professional programs you haven't told us about. Are you perhaps a computer artist or a research scientist?

Most important, the fx08350 is inferior to Intel offerings for gaming. Reason: Intel chips have better per-core performance; as a general rule games don't use more than 4 cores.

This will show up in superior performance for games like the Total War series, RTS games like Supreme Commander or SC2, and probably games like GTA as well. The difference won't be big. But it will be noticeable when you have unit sizes maxxed & you're fighting with full-sized armies in Total War, are late game with large armies in SC2 (and presumably supreme commander), and those kind of scenarios.
    
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Originally Posted by Heuchler View Post

agree with what Terrere said.

going from your Asus HD5970 to two Pitcairn 7870 isn't much difference in terms of
gpu power (more video ram). for a GPU upgrade either a HD 7950 or [bette]r two 7870 XT
(Powercolor 7870 Myst edition or the Sapphire XT).

what about going water and adding a 5870 for trifire action. if you are staying at 1080p
you don't need the extra vram (right now). skip the current generation and go for the next
steamroller when it is released if you can hold out that long. got the upgrade itch myself.

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First: don't SLI unless it's top end (or just under top end) cards, for a variety of reasons. Also your resolution is only 1920x1080p. There's not much reason to go hog wild here.

Second: RAM is like hard drive space. Not having enough is a major problem. Having too much is absolutely useless. 2x4gb is the standard "more than enough while not going crazy" amount at the moment. 32 gb is just wasting money unless you are running some esoteric professional programs you haven't told us about. Are you perhaps a computer artist or a research scientist?

Most important, the fx08350 is inferior to Intel offerings for gaming. Reason: Intel chips have better per-core performance; as a general rule games don't use more than 4 cores.

This will show up in superior performance for games like the Total War series, RTS games like Supreme Commander or SC2, and probably games like GTA as well. The difference won't be big. But it will be noticeable when you have unit sizes maxxed & you're fighting with full-sized armies in Total War, are late game with large armies in SC2 (and presumably supreme commander), and those kind of scenarios.

I was going to do dual 7870s because of money and performance, but if they still dont get that much more performance combined than my 5970, I'll wait for the next gen.

As for the per core performance, I agree Intel wins in that arena, but with how I use my computer I believe that the the FX line would be better. This is also why I chose 32GB of RAM. You see, I have this bad habit of leaving things running. I'll leave 15 windows of Chrome up for days on end, leave WoW running for days on end, media players, etc. Long story short, my current 8GB of RAM isnt enough. Ill come back to my desktop and have a Win7 warning about a lack of RAM and it wanting to shut down whatever game I have open. Yes, this could be resolved by closing the game, but then I'd have to relaunch it.... But when it comes to the processor, its more about running VMs (RAM as well here) fluidly while still having my other software/games running. My understanding of the FX line is that they have better multi-thread processing abilities which would tend towards running a lot of applications at once as well as future proofing as more software becomes multi-threaded for efficiency.

So in an nutshell, its sounding like a hold off on the GPUs and the CPU is a tossup?
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First: don't SLI unless it's top end (or just under top end) cards, for a variety of reasons. Also your resolution is only 1920x1080p. There's not much reason to go hog wild here.

Second: RAM is like hard drive space. Not having enough is a major problem. Having too much is absolutely useless. 2x4gb is the standard "more than enough while not going crazy" amount at the moment. 32 gb is just wasting money unless you are running some esoteric professional programs you haven't told us about. Are you perhaps a computer artist or a research scientist?

Most important, the fx08350 is inferior to Intel offerings for gaming. Reason: Intel chips have better per-core performance; as a general rule games don't use more than 4 cores.

This will show up in superior performance for games like the Total War series, RTS games like Supreme Commander or SC2, and probably games like GTA as well. The difference won't be big. But it will be noticeable when you have unit sizes maxxed & you're fighting with full-sized armies in Total War, are late game with large armies in SC2 (and presumably supreme commander), and those kind of scenarios.

The OP said that he wanted multiple virtual machines up simultaneously. I can easily get to 16GB average RAM usage with 2 additional VMs with server OS for file sharing/hosting. If this is the case where the OP is wanting the VMs as servers, 32GB makes sense. If it's just for additional Linux boxes for programming or light-level computing in the VMs then 16GB should be more than enough. It all depends on the OP's usage. The FX-8350 may be lower in per core performance, but the 8 dedicated cores will come in handy with all of those additional threads. Also, with him having VMs he may want to have 4-8 GB of RAMDisk. I wouldn't suggest the OP getting below 16GB though if he is planning on VMs while gaming.

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I was going to do dual 7870s because of money and performance, but if they still dont get that much more performance combined than my 5970, I'll wait for the next gen.

As for the per core performance, I agree Intel wins in that arena, but with how I use my computer I believe that the the FX line would be better. This is also why I chose 32GB of RAM. You see, I have this bad habit of leaving things running. I'll leave 15 windows of Chrome up for days on end, leave WoW running for days on end, media players, etc. Long story short, my current 8GB of RAM isnt enough. Ill come back to my desktop and have a Win7 warning about a lack of RAM and it wanting to shut down whatever game I have open. Yes, this could be resolved by closing the game, but then I'd have to relaunch it.... But when it comes to the processor, its more about running VMs (RAM as well here) fluidly while still having my other software/games running. My understanding of the FX line is that they have better multi-thread processing abilities which would tend towards running a lot of applications at once as well as future proofing as more software becomes multi-threaded for efficiency.

So in an nutshell, its sounding like a hold off on the GPUs and the CPU is a tossup?

Pretty much. It comes down to what you want, the next gen of chipsets is coming out soon. This will make prices on current gen decrease to create the price bracket for the new gen chips and cards. If you want to do the 8350, that is cool. With the new Steamroller coming out soon it all depends on how long you are willing to wait. So I agree and disagree with MisterFred. Honestly, 16 GB of RAM should be more than enough to run VMs and your gaming system provided you aren't file hosting or doing any really strenuous calculations on your VMs.

In a nutshell, if you NEED the upgrade now... 8350 offers additional core support whereas, as MisterFred mentioned, the Intel Ivy Bridge line does offer better processing per core. It all comes down to the usage you plan for it. If you are using heavy hitting VMs the extra cores may benefit you. If you are using the VMs for low level computing the Intel processing power may be what you want. thumb.gif You really can't go wrong with new gen processors.
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Honestly, I can probably wait for next gen and grab those seeing as I've waited this long. Its been a while since I perused OCN and wasn't sure about timelines for new hardware etc. With my house winding down and basically being done though now, I'll be able to keep up with it again and keep up with upgrading biggrin.gif

As for those VMs, they will mostly just be sitting there doing a lot of nothing other than acting as a test network and maybe a couple Linux VMs to play with learning more about Linux from. For now, I guess its time to get more monitors to fit everything easily on to.
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