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If there is, the irony is that it will use Adobe Flash...
bahahaha!
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Yeah, good luck with that. If that were to happen, Australia would be hit with WTO sanctions up the wazoo and you all know it.

Technically speaking though, as far as I understand it, the WTO sanctions don't actually have to be enforced. A country can still freely trade with Australia is they so please. Its just that the WTO will be very very angry with the participating parties. Not only that, but I highly doubt the WTO would sanction Australia because even if you are in breach of a WTO agreement, they do not have to enforce sanction if it would restrict world trade and have a negative impact. Again this is from my minimal law experience (trying to remember what I learned in my law class at uni last year).

But basically, the world can't afford not to trade with Australia. We have the largest amount of natural resources of any nation in the world. Good luck continuing industry without us to supply china with the copper, zinc, tin, iron etc. that they need to make the steel and other metals that the rest of the world buys. Plus the uranium we sell to India, the natural gas we export. Basically, Australia will never be cut off from world trade supplies, we are too valuable (probably why china/india/Indonesia will invade us).

Although Australia will never exempt them from anti-piracy laws, so this discussion is rather moot
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is there an online stream?? lol

Yep, pretty sure it just finished though.
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I'm aware that a business would have to buy a legit key, but at least they can get that back on tax.

You don't magically get all the money you spend as a business back on tax tongue.gif.

Well I do hope something comes of this, AUS has always gotten particularly screwed on software pricing.
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Technically speaking though, as far as I understand it, the WTO sanctions don't actually have to be enforced. A country can still freely trade with Australia is they so please. Its just that the WTO will be very very angry with the participating parties. Not only that, but I highly doubt the WTO would sanction Australia because even if you are in breach of a WTO agreement, they do not have to enforce sanction if it would restrict world trade and have a negative impact. Again this is from my minimal law experience (trying to remember what I learned in my law class at uni last year).

In that case, the USA (home country to said companies) would likely institute retaliatory tariffs on all imported Australian products.

But you're right, it is a moot point.
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post #25 of 82
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If there is, the irony is that it will use Adobe Flash...

Obviously it will use quicktime durring the apple questioning.
Flash during the Adobe questioning
And silverlight during the microsoft questioning! tongue.gif
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We only pay your stupid prices because we have no other alternatives. Its a bit ridiculous to say "if people didn't like it they would vote with their wallets" when most of the software you make has little to no competition/alternatives.

Especially as a student, I need MS Office in order to do my work and assignments and ensure that everything is formatted correctly as per the marking criteria. I am aware that there are alternatives out there that are free, however I also need to use MS templates from time-to-time along with the fact that everything is just easier in Office because there's a large amount of documentation and its the word processing software that all my educational institutions have used for years. Plus, then I don't have compatibility issues.

Then lets look as Windows, what my alternative to Windows you ask? Oh that's right, OSX! Who created OSX? Apple? Who else is also part of this inquiry into price gouging? Oh that's right, Apple!

So either way your wallet is getting raped! Its just whether MS or Apple are the ones taking all your bloody cash.
That is the exact reason they do it. You literally just admitted that although you don't like the prices, you NEED the product. They have the power. And considering the fact Australia isn't a huge market, they could suffer the losses of a few discerned costumer. Or obtain their software in a slightly less morally respectable way...

And to further the argument, Australians are paid a lot more so it make sense that they should get charged higher. Think of it as a tax. I'm not defending it but seriously, when you're a student making 15$ an hour in Australia it's a lot easier to swallow a 300$ product than a student in the U.S doing the same job for 8$ an hour.
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In that case, the USA (home country to said companies) would likely institute retaliatory tariffs on all imported Australian products.

But you're right, it is a moot point.

True. But then Australia could tell the US military forces that are stationed here (quite a large number) to pack their bags and leave.

Although that would never happen, no matter how much the people of this country want the US marines gone (complicated issue - largely due to the social problems that are caused when the marines go out to the city drinking etc. we have large problems with drunken violence, sexual assaults and rape when the US forces go off base and into the city).

OT: Seems the investigation has concluded for the day.

Apparently, from what I've read, the MS representative pretty much admitted that they rip-off Australian's and then went to large extents to try and justify that it was "legal" which seems to have gotten the investigators interested in why she was so defensive.

Not sure when the next hearing is (if there will be another) but lets hope they push harder and dig a little deeper. I would love to actually hear Adobe give an answer, rather than ramble on about their cloud service.
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And to further the argument, Australians are paid a lot more so it make sense that they should get charged higher. Think of it as a tax. I'm not defending it but seriously, when you're a student making 15$ an hour in Australia it's a lot easier to swallow a 300$ product than a student in the U.S doing the same job for 8$ an hour.

They should be charged the same, but adjusted for the difference in currency values. Obviously the AUS people should be paying a notable amount more, but not the completely outrageous pricing they have now. Also adjusting for the currency value is a lot more complicated then just converting USD to AUD, since that is also telling you how good/poor the USD is doing, and not what the AUD is really worth in AUS.
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True. But then Australia could tell the US military forces that are stationed here (quite a large number) to pack their bags and leave.

Although that would never happen, no matter how much the people of this country want the US marines gone (complicated issue - largely due to the social problems that are caused when the marines go out to the city drinking etc. we have large problems with drunken violence, sexual assaults and rape when the US forces go off base and into the city).

And then China would declare that Australia was somehow a "renegade province" and their Navy would come to "facilitate a peaceful reunification" under Beijing's leadership...

Seriously though, I can sympathize with the locals' distaste for the Marines. They're not exactly the brightest bulbs in the bin.
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And to further the argument, Australians are paid a lot more so it make sense that they should get charged higher. Think of it as a tax. I'm not defending it but seriously, when you're a student making 15$ an hour in Australia it's a lot easier to swallow a 300$ product than a student in the U.S doing the same job for 8$ an hour.

Living expenses in the states is A LOT less then in Australia. As Vengeance47 pointed out, Americans have a lot more expendable income then Australians due to living expenses such as food, electricity, petrol, housing and taxes.
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