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If you have a second storage drive, or if you just don't have a ton of data, you could short-stroke the Seagate down to 600GB to 1TB, whichwwould resultin the drive only using the outer third (600GB) or half (1TB) of each platter, which is the fastest part of the drive. The result would be more stable sequential speeds and reduced access times, very worthwhile if you have no plans to fill the drive completely.

The place where this makes the biggest and most tangible difference is on your boot drive (OS drive), so if you don't mind the capacity loss, go for it.
   
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If you have a second storage drive, or if you just don't have a ton of data, you could short-stroke the Seagate down to 600GB to 1TB, whichwwould resultin the drive only using the outer third (600GB) or half (1TB) of each platter, which is the fastest part of the drive. The result would be more stable sequential speeds and reduced access times, very worthwhile if you have no plans to fill the drive completely.

The place where this makes the biggest and most tangible difference is on your boot drive (OS drive), so if you don't mind the capacity loss, go for it.

 

Short stroking by 50-66% really won't make any appreciable difference though, especially if the rest of the drive is left empty (Windows will use the fastest parts first anyway, and keeping re-using them as older files get deleted etc).

 

For a short stroke to start to show any real world gains you want to be dropping to 10% of capacity or so.  It's not really worth it though for the most part - a modern budget SSD will destroy any mechanical drive for OS use making it pointless to worry about slight differences in HDD speeds...

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I would disagree about 66% not making any difference, at least on the newer 1TB-Platter drives... The extremely high data density more than compensates for the slightly greater distance the head(s) have to move.
Also, when talking about 2-3TB drives using 1TB Platters, short-stroking to 1/3rd the capacity is short-stroking EACH PLATTER to 1/6th of its capacity, resulting in only the outer 17% or so being used. I personally can feel a big difference when using a Seagate 3TB short-stroked to 1TB compared to not short-stroked at all.

As an aside, another benefit is diminished fragmentation, resulting in much better sequential and random reads as the files tend to better stay put...
   
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How does short stroking work... it is just making a small partition? What would I have to do to increase the capacity again?
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It can be done via PartedMagic or any other partitioning tool. You simply create the primary partition to be, as discussed above, no more than 1/3rd the total capacity of the drive, although the smaller you can keep it the better, so long as you don't spill data over into the second partition (defeating the purpose). I'd say if you're just running OS and some programs, really a 33% short-stroke on a 3TB drive is going to give you the best performance for your dollar. You'll only be using the outer 3rd of each platter, while retaining 1TB capacity. If you could get that down to 500GB, using just the outer 1/6th of each platter, you'd reduce the space used to the outer half of the outer third, i.e. the fastest part of the disk. I'd estimate, with the Seagate 3TB Barracuda, Avg/Max/Min Sequential R/W speeds of ~190/210/180 MB/sec, and an average access time of ~8-9.5ms.

If you have a bunch of TRULY STATIC DATA (i.e. not pictures or music that you look at or listen to, but truly archived stuff that is compressed and you don't access more than once a year, or so), you can use the inner tracks for storing this information, because as it will never be requested, it will never slow down the drive by forcing the R/W head to travel so far.
   
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Here are a couple quick tests I ran to show you the difference....

I did these on the laptop I'm using to write this, so the numbers aren't exactly earth-shattering, but the numbers themselves aren't the point; it's the difference between the full-drive and the short-stroked tests that is what is important.

Dell laptop using an Intel C2D 2.66Ghz, 4GB DDR2-800, and the hard drive is a Western Digital Scorpio Blue 320GB WD3200BEVT-75ZCT which runs at 5,400RPM and has a disk cache of I believe 8MB. It is connected via SATA 3Gbps, all drivers up to date on the laptop.


FULL DRIVE (ALL 320GB)





SHORT-STROKED TO 10% (32GB)





Look at the difference between the two graphs!
For the Full Drive, we get a maximum speed of 64.5MB/sec, with an average speed of 51.4MB/sec, an access time of 17.4ms (avg), and the graph shows the sloped performance curve.
However, when we look at the drive short-stroked to 10% of its capacity, we get a maximum of 67.9MB/sec, with an average of 65.1MB/sec and an access time of only 11.4ms! There is no slope in the performance curve, rather it is effectively a straight line, hovering above the 60MB/sec mark (the sharp drop to 57MB/sec was due to Windows Defender popping up; that is really just a fluke).

Keep in mind: this is a 5400rpm, 2.5" laptop hard drive with a small buffer!

Not to mention, it's pretty well packed with stuff. Here's a shot showing current free space....






So there, as you can see, are the benefits of short-stroking.
   
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Wow man, thanks for showing those stats! I appreciate it!

I'm planning on getting the 2TB one, and I think I'd need a partition at least 700gb though. Dunno if it's gonna be as effective.

I can't get the 3TB one cause I'm still on Vista, plus I'm stuck with SATA2. Last I heard Vista can use only 2TB drives?

Do you happen to know if the 2TB drive will be bottlenecked by my SATA2? Or is SATA2 fast enough to get me around 200mb/ps read speeds?
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Wow man, thanks for showing those stats! I appreciate it!

I'm planning on getting the 2TB one, and I think I'd need a partition at least 700gb though. Dunno if it's gonna be as effective.

I can't get the 3TB one cause I'm still on Vista, plus I'm stuck with SATA2. Last I heard Vista can use only 2TB drives?

Do you happen to know if the 2TB drive will be bottlenecked by my SATA2? Or is SATA2 fast enough to get me around 200mb/ps read speeds?

HDD's can't saturate SATA II, so you won't have any drive bottlenecked by SATA2 of 3.
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warranty, you want seagates 2 years or wd's 5 year?
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Hmm, do you have a budget for a SSD instead? The key thing is even though SSDs are bottlenecked by SATA2 bootup times are still beyond godly with tight CAS timings (Apparently on my dual-channel config) and that random read and access time matters way more than anything else

Initially i also tested bootup time on a 3.5" and 2.5". It is STAGGERINGLY very far apart.
But also, between a (7k1000.D that i have for my file server) 3.5" and a SSD still tangible differences.
But the key thing is that after 2 weeks or so and tightening up my CAS and secondary timings on 1066MHz the supposedly low-end Plextor M5S 128GB doesn't even let the Windows logo even partially load, it's just WISSHHHHH! and i'm on the desktop.
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