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Better yet:

1-So what does this mean for the game publishers whose product sells in part on the modding community that exists around it? Doesn't it damage their consumer base?

2-Shouldn't NCSoft as the maker of the game have a serious issue with NBC/Universal's claim to own the rights?

NCSoft is a poor example. No one, at all, buys GW2 for it's mods.

ARMA 2 would be a much better example, seeing as the Day Z mod probably resulted in more sales than the original game itself.
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2-Shouldn't NCSoft as the maker of the game have a serious issue with NBC/Universal's claim to own the rights?

This.

If I were the publisher of the game I would be extremely annoyed with NBC / Universal and, to a lesser extent, the ISP right now. So much so that I would be thinking of taking legal action against them, both on the grounds of falsely claiming to own my property and possibly defamation (not sure if there grounds for that though).
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What I want to know is...

OK...so they dropped a false positive on this guy. Are they removing the Strike? Do they still have to pay the $35 to dispute the strike? And what happens if it is disputed and the user was found innocent?
they wont find him innocent smile.gif there is no justice in this world and their own people are running the reevaluation commision. its rigged.

I really wonder why no one sues them, its clear discrimination if not outright collusion and conspiracy. there is no due process. i cannot believe there is not one judge to outlaw this private scheme of abuse

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What ticks me off is it's not even the developers, it's NBC... ***
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People, it was a false positive. I don't like it either, but the upside is that mods are not illegal. rolleyes.gif The lack of reading comprehension around here is almost as scary as NBC pulling stunts like this.
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People, it was a false positive. I don't like it either, but the upside is that mods are not illegal. rolleyes.gif The lack of reading comprehension around here is almost as scary as NBC pulling stunts like this.

Um, positive is positive. There's no false until you put up the cash to contest it.
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People, it was a false positive. I don't like it either, but the upside is that mods are not illegal. rolleyes.gif The lack of reading comprehension around here is almost as scary as NBC pulling stunts like this.

It is a false positive that, if it hadn't come to the media's attention, would cost $35 to contest.

Besides there are lots of similar stories floating round, some legit and some probably made up, which show that the system is not working as it should.

It would not be the first time that big content owners have claimed footage that does not belong to them, remember that story about a news agency taking down a YouTube clip because it contained public domain footage from NASA? This was later cleared up and an apology given but it shows that content owners are a little too eager to issue takedown notices.

If they brought in a penalty, decided by an independant body, for incorrectly filing takedown notices then it might help. Maybe.
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Um, positive is positive. There's no false until you put up the cash to contest it.

With regards to the six strikes system yes, guilty until you prove your innocence. Which is all sorts of messed up, but the more important concern is that the program they are using to identify copyrighted material is erroneously finding false positives that then result in that strike.

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The file named Cantha Cartography Made Easy 2009.tpf is identified by the key (wwd52mmqdzu).

From here:http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130224/22341022086/system-used-new-six-strikes-cas-falsely-identifies-game-mods-as-nbc-tv-shows.shtml

That key, it's similar to an MD5 or SHA1 hash, but most likely it is being run on small chunks of the file, not the file as a whole. And with a bit string length that short, there are most certainly going to be hash collisions that result in false positives.

So to address all the people spazzing out about how "oh no mods are illegal" since they can't read, no mods are not illegal, the system to determine if something is copyrighted or not is immensely flawed.

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It is a false positive that, if it hadn't come to the media's attention, would cost $35 to contest.

Besides there are lots of similar stories floating round, some legit and some probably made up, which show that the system is not working as it should.

It would not be the first time that big content owners have claimed footage that does not belong to them, remember that story about a news agency taking down a YouTube clip because it contained public domain footage from NASA? This was later cleared up and an apology given but it shows that content owners are a little too eager to issue takedown notices.

If they brought in a penalty, decided by an independant body, for incorrectly filing takedown notices then it might help. Maybe.

The problem is a combination of the law (takedown before proof that the infringing file/media/whatever is an actual infringement [guilty until proven innocent which is ass backwards]), the outsourcing to a third party (which is likely paid on a per takedown basis, or at least in some way compensated more for more takedowns), and the shoddy automated tools that cant tell infringing from noninfringing.
Edited by zinfinion - 3/22/13 at 12:40pm
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I dunno I just wanna see this in the supreme court.
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