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Updated: April 3, 2013

Hi guys,
So I upgraded my rig last month to include a 3770k with a Maximus V Formula.
I am currently using the stock cooler though, so haven’t even touched overclocking yet.
I’ve read a bunch of watercooling threads, so I feel confident in the basics of things, and putting it together.
My main goal is a SILENT build that will start with a CPU loop and expand to a CPU + GPU loop come summer. I will be using the Corsair 900d to replace my HAF932 because the 932 always seems to have raddling and the 900d looks really really cool, and that’s cool.

So here’s my parts round-up from www.dazmode.com (I live in Canada). What do you guys think of my choices? The bits power pump stuff sure adds up, but I want to avoid a bay reservoir that could vibrate in the drive bay.

Thanks for your time!

Water block: DazMode EK Supremacy – $59.99
Honestly, no water blocks have stood out for me too much. The Supremacy and Raystorm seem the most popular though.

Radiator: Alphacool UT60 480mm (Quad 120mm Radiator) - $119



Pump: DazMode STORM D5 VARIO 8-24V Pump w/TACH cable - $75
Just one of these. I’m only doing a CPU loop that will expand to a CPU + single GPU loop someday.

Dual / Single D5 Top Upgrade Kit 250 (Black POM Cap) – 54.99
250ml bits power, D5 pump add-on

D5 Pump Modding Kit – Black - $53.99
Another part of the D5 pump add-on kit.
Damn this bits power stuff is expensive! But I just’t don’t like bay reservoirs because they chance vibration noise.

Tubing and Fittings - $100?
3/8 tubing. Fittings and types yet to be decided. I hope Bitspower has white fittings.

Rad fans:Undecided between NF-F12, M12-P, Swiftech Helix 120s. Will purchase 8 for push/pull
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>> So how does my list + reasoning look to you? Too much? Can I save money anywhere while still keeping this build as quiet as possible? My aim is to OC my 3770k to 4.2-4.4


Thank you for your time and consideration!!!thumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gifthumb.gif
Edited by Dragon-Emperor - 4/3/13 at 4:55pm
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Looks good!

Only thing i would suggest is get different fans. i had a set of the SP120 quiet edition fans and they were too loud for me. i dont know what your deffinition of " silent " is, but they were too loud for me. also,they dont undervolt well, mine clicked when i undervolted them to get them to run at 1000rpm.

also, i would get this radiator... completely copper, best rad on the market imo

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14987/ex-rad-341/Alphacool_NexXxoS_UT60_Full_Copper_Quad_120mm_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s570
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Looks good!

Only thing i would suggest is get different fans. i had a set of the SP120 quiet edition fans and they were too loud for me. i dont know what your deffinition of " silent " is, but they were too loud for me. also,they dont undervolt well, mine clicked when i undervolted them to get them to run at 1000rpm.

also, i would get this radiator... completely copper, best rad on the market imo

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/14987/ex-rad-341/Alphacool_NexXxoS_UT60_Full_Copper_Quad_120mm_Radiator.html?tl=g30c95s570

I am very picky about noise.
I've even exchanged monitors multiple times until I lucked out with one not having any sign of transistor whine all brightness levels; so your information is highly valued!

I was not aware of the Corsair fan noise increase, such as clicking when undervolted. That's really disappointing for a silent build. Aesthetically I love the look of the Corsair fan series, since I could easily spray paint just the color ring to match any build.Their price is competitive in 2-packs too.
Looks like I'll have to consider the Noctuas.

After seeing your rad suggestion, I came across a website reviewing the UT60 and damn, it DOES look very impressive
http://martinsliquidlab.org/2012/04/12/alphacool-nexxxos-ut60-360-radiator/4/

And after forum searching, I came across results for the Alphacool SP30 series! Seems that for 1000rpm and lower, this rad is king, and cheaper to boot.
http://martinsliquidlab.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/alphacoolst30-th2.png
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/15666/ex-rad-375/Alphacool_NexXxoS_ST30_Full_Copper_Slim_Profile_Quad_120mm_Radiator.html
Would I be correct in that deduction?

Thanks Sean thumb.gif
Edited by Dragon-Emperor - 3/22/13 at 3:30pm
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Some people love the SP120 quiet editions and say they are dead silent, but for me they were just too loud. I had them on my Alphacool UT60 240 rad and they performed great as far as temps but were simply too loud for my taste. I am now using Bitfenix spectre (non pro version ) fans. They are my favorite fans for low noise. at 12 volts they have a very pleasing hum to them, not disruptive at all and at 7 volts around 800rpm they are inaudible and still move enough air to push air through these super low FPI radiators! I bought 10 of them for my upcoming build in the Ard Midi R2 where im going to put 6 on a triple rad and 4 on my 240 rad.
On my upcoming build that i mentioned, i got the bitfenix recon fan controller , with this fan controller and the 3rd party download software, based on thermal probe temps, i am going to have the 6 fans on the 360rad and the 2 pull fans on the 240 rad turn off at idle, then when i start to game they will turn on. So at idle ill only have 2 fans on the 240 on and the rear exhaust fan on, so ill only have 3 fans on running at 700rpm. it will be truly inaudible. i spent a TON of time researching how to get this to work thumb.gif

I believe the aplhacool UT series of radiators are the best on the market. if i were you i would stick to the UT60 quad rad i linked before, the extra thickness really does help keep things cool! but either way, cant go wrong with them!
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post #5 of 11
The UT60 is definitely a better choice over the RX480, as not only will it perform better, it costs less as well!

As for fans, it would REALLY help to know what fans you've used in the past that you've found to be too loud, and what you've found to be "just right" or thereabouts, so we can better help you in that regard.
However, if you really want silence over performance, you can get really quiet fans without sacrificing TOO much performance if you go with either top-of-the-line fans, and/or you use entirely PWM-controlled fans so that you will never have them running faster than they absolutely must be, something like:
- Noiseblocker NB-Multiframe M12-P PWM 1000-2000RPM Fan (Up to ~60CFM and ~2.85mmH2O, deadly silent even at full blast due to the completely decoupled design, and extremely reliable; the only negative is their cost, which is not exactly budget-conscious at $26-30/each; This Fan is my TOP pick for your purposes going on what I know so far)
- Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentFan XLP 120x25mm Ultra Quiet PWM 1000-2000RPM Fan (Absolutely amazing fan; dead silent up to 85-90% of max speed; puts out 2.653mmH2O static pressure at full speed and 41-75CFM across the PWM Range; TOP NOTCH!)
- Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-P 120x25mm PWM 800-2000rpm Fan (would make very good "push" fans, not good as "pull" fans)
- Akasa APACHE S-Flow PWM 120x25mm 600-1300RPM Fans (~58CFM and a whopping 2.64mmH2O from such a quiet fan is fantastic, and I can personally attest to these fans being very, very good; they use a similar Hydro-Dynamic Bearing to the Cougar fans)
- Cougar Vortex CFV12HPB 120x25mm PWM Black-Frame 1500rpm-Max (I can attest to these being incredibly quiet; specs are decent, with 2.2mmH2O at max speed)
- Swiftech Helix 120mm PWM 800-1800RPM (very, very good fans for an excellent price; with 55CFM and 2.3mmH2O @ around 24dB while remaining 100% inaudible the vast majority of the time, they are many times better than the Corsair SP120QE)
- Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPro PLPS 120x25mm PWM 600-1500RPM Ultra-Quiet Fans (very quiet, but lack "oomph" in the power department)
- Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentFan XL2 120x25mm Fans at 1500RPM (silent at even full speed, though with only ~1mmH2O they would NEED to be used Push-Pull, or otherwise you're wasting your money)
- Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14's/AP-15's (1450rpm/1850rpm, if you've been here for more than 5 minutes you know what these fans are)
- San Ace 9G1212H1011 120x38mm 2600rpm (the Holy Grail of Fans for many; these undervolt better than almost anything else out there, and a good fan controller will have these humming along inaudibly at ~1100-1200rpm while still generating 2-3x as much static pressure as any 25mm-thick fan running at the same speed)
- Koolance FAN-12038HBK 120x38mm 2600rpm Fan (I consider these "Baby San-Aces" due to their almost identical nature; i.e. 6.4mmH2O and 117CFM @ 2600rpm, dual-ball-bearing motors, and undervolt ridiculously well, in fact I run 4 in Push-Pull on a UT60 240 and they are bar-none some of my favorite fans ever; best part, they cost $9 a pop! That leaves plenty of change for a few Phobya 120x120x7mm Fan Shrouds/Decouplers)

Then you simply need some PWM Splitters, such as the Gelid 1x4pin PWM Header + 1x4pin MOLEX Power Plug to 4x PWM Fan Channels (gets PWM Signal from, and sends a tach signal to, the motherboard header while drawing the power for the fans from the 4pin Molex plug), which would allow you to run a string of 4 fans as if they were one. Get two, use one on "CPU_Fan_1" and another on "CPU_Fan_Opt", set the fan curves for both headers to be identical in your BIOS, and you have a push-pull setup of 8 PWM fans that acts entirely in unison, only speeding up when the predetermined temperature rise dictates and all doing so at the same exact time!
Swiftech even has a new 8-Fan PWM Controller, allowing just a single header (and a Molex) to control EIGHT PWM Fans!!! This would be absolutely ideal, IMO!

Also, for both performance and silence, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND getting and using the PHOBYA 120x120x7mm Fan Shrouds/Decouplers in-between each fan and the radiator as they provide a shroud-effect to better allow completely even airflow across the face of the radiator, provide an air-tight seal between the frame of the fan and the radiator housing which prevents any air from leaking out and effectively raises the static pressure as a result, and of course decreases noise in fact via two means (1: decoupling of the fan's frame from the radiator housing thereby eliminating any possible vibration transmittance and 2: via the same shroud effect that improves performance, as while the airflow is still "hitting" the face of the radiator at the same velocity it is doing so in a less turbulent and more even manner thus decreasing high-pressure zones and reducing the "whirring" sound of the air through the radiator).
I use them with my Koolance 2600rpm P-P fans on my UT60 and I liked them so much that I bought another 6, this time in 140x140x7mm size, for my EX420 and 6x Bgears Blasters 140mm fans running P-P. I would say that they provide a volume reduction equivalent to decreasing the fan's speed by about 150-200rpm; it's not going to silence a fan completely but it does go a long ways towards helping!!!

Along with using the Phobya Shrouds/Decouplers between each fan and the radiator, I would recommend using a set of "Fan Silencers" such as the mod/right 120x120x2mm Silicone Fan Silencers with Beveled Edges, placing these between the fans and the case. Despite their small size, these will decouple the entire assembly from the case chassis, while also creating a better seal between the fans and the case. If you are less worried about the decoupling of the fans from the case, want a good seal, and/or don't want to spend so much on silicone decouplers, then the new XSPC Radiator Sealing Gaskets, which cost ~$2 @ PerformancePC's, would be absolutely perfect.


Anyway, that's just my advice; if there's anything else I can help with, I'd be glad to.

Good luck!! thumb.gif
   
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Man, the first time I replied to this in depth few days back, I made the bad mistake of clicking ‘back’ to edit my post, instead of editing it in the preview editing screen.
LESSON LEARNED.
Typing this one in MS Word!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean W. View Post

It sounds like you’ve given your silent build a lot of thought!
I am happy to hear you mention the Bitfenix Specre series. I was recently at the computer store 10 minutes from my house (www.memoryexpress.com) picking up some monitor arms, when noticed half a damn isle FULL of the Bitfenix fans and the fan controller you mentioned. I will surely have to consider these it sounds like.
Also, I have decided to go with the UT60 like you and nleksan have said. I must now choose between the 480 and 360 versions.

The 480 will be back in stock on May 18th - $127
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p12347_Alphacool-NexXxoS-UT60-Full-Copper-480mm.html
While the 360 is in stock already - $101.28
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p12342_Alphacool-NexXxoS-UT60-Full-Copper-360mm.html

I suppose I do not need ‘a lot’ of radiator to cover just a 3770k and a single hot video card.
But the bigger radiator means more fans at lower rpm and thus, lower noise I suppose.

I will certainly add the Bitfenix spectres to my list of fans to consider. It’s nice that they’re stocked locally to boot.

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Originally Posted by nleksan View Post

I am using the stock fans in my Cooler Master HAF 932 I purchased in the summer of 2010.
My 3770k is using the stock HSF and my video card is a stock Sapphire HD5770.
I’ve always kept my Asus fan profiles on silent (with case fans hooked to the fan and opt headers), but I always hear them… Perhaps it’s their age, but what I hear right now is a “quiet” pulsating mechanical noise. Maybe it’s the bearing, but hearing them makes me want to punch through a wall.
I believe this is all coming from my case fans and graphics card. My stock HSF on the 3770k is nice and… windy, in comparison.

  • Fan specs from CM website for HAF 932:
  • Front: 230 x 30 mm red LED fan x 1, 700 RPM, 110 CFM, 19 dBA
  • Side: 230 x 30 mm standard fan x 1, 700 RPM, 110 CFM, 19 dBA (support 120 x 25 fan x 4)
  • Top: 230 x 30 mm standard fan x 1, 700 RPM, 110 CFM, 19 dBA (support 120 mm fan x 3 or 120 mm x 1 + 230 x 30 mm x 1)
  • Rear: 140 x 25 mm standard fan x 1, 1200 RPM, 60 CFM, 17 dBA (support 120 mm fan x 1), 35,000 hours life expectancy


It sure looks like there are a lot of better choices than the Corsair SP120 Quiet editions, which surprises me. Some of these are very price comparable too!
Yes, anything over $16 is definitely too much per fan, for my blood.
Thanks for this crazy list btw!
I'm going to list the current prices and images just for... documenting and deciding sake. I hope that's not against the rules.
  1. Noiseblocker NB-Multiframe M12-P – PWM - $24.57
  2. Noiseblocker NB-Blacksilent XLP – PWM - $12.22 Sounds like amazing performance for the price
  3. Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-P Bionic fan - $22.22
  4. Akasa APACHE S-Flow PWM - $21.85
  5. Swiftech Helix fan PWM - $14.81 Really liking this look and price, and what you had to say
  6. Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPRO PL-PS - $19.63
  7. Noiseblocker NB-Blacksilent XL2 Rev.3 - $10.98
  8. Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14's/AP-15's - $16.05/$15.80 These don't cost as much as their fame suggests
  9. San Ace 9G1212H1011 – Short of ebay, these suckers are hard to find!
  10. Koolance FAN-12038HBK - $10.24 Well priced! They just don't look as sharp as some of the others
  11. Bitfenix Spectre 120mm Fan - $7.99 I'll have to look at some reviews on these



** Are most of these fans suitable for running just push on a UT60? Or would Push/pull be strongly recommended to keep rpms/noise and temperatures down?
So far I'm really considering the Swiftech fan, or the Gentle Typhoons. Your descriptions made them sound rather efficient and quiet, and I like the looks of them too. However, if I only need to buy fans for push, I may consider spending top dollar on 4 Noiseblocker NB-Multiframe M12-P – PWM.


**And yes, the 8-fan PWM controller sounds like the simplest route. Do you use one of these too?
8 Way PWM Splitter - $9.95
http://www.swiftech.com/8-waypwmsplitter.aspx


**Your explanation of these decouplers literally blew my mind. I mean, both you and Sean have given me some really solid advice thus far, but I can`t believe I've never even heard of these decouplers. They sound like a god-send!
Phobya Shroud & decoupling 120mm (7mm thickness) - $3.93
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p7965_Phobya-Shroud---decoupling-120mm--7mm-thickness-.html


**As for the silicone fan silencers for the case, with beveled edges, I believe this is the product you describe?
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p3687_vibration-damper-120mm-fans-black.html
They seem to have a better reputation for shipping to Canada for reasonable fees, over Performance P’s.

Thanks again for everyones help, and sorry for the delayed reply.
Once I've chosen the parts, I can start planning a colour scheme, order the components and wait for the 900D to release wink.gif
Exciting!
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Also, I have decided to go with the UT60 like you and nleksan have said. I must now choose between the 480 and 360 versions.

The 480 will be back in stock on May 18th - $127
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p12347_Alphacool-NexXxoS-UT60-Full-Copper-480mm.html
While the 360 is in stock already - $101.28
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p12342_Alphacool-NexXxoS-UT60-Full-Copper-360mm.html

I suppose I do not need ‘a lot’ of radiator to cover just a 3770k and a single hot video card.
But the bigger radiator means more fans at lower rpm and thus, lower noise I suppose.

I will certainly add the Bitfenix spectres to my list of fans to consider. It’s nice that they’re stocked locally to boot.
I am using the stock fans in my Cooler Master HAF 932 I purchased in the summer of 2010.
My 3770k is using the stock HSF and my video card is a stock Sapphire HD5770.
I’ve always kept my Asus fan profiles on silent (with case fans hooked to the fan and opt headers), but I always hear them… Perhaps it’s their age, but what I hear right now is a “quiet” pulsating mechanical noise. Maybe it’s the bearing, but hearing them makes me want to punch through a wall.
I believe this is all coming from my case fans and graphics card. My stock HSF on the 3770k is nice and… windy, in comparison.

It sure looks like there are a lot of better choices than the Corsair SP120 Quiet editions, which surprises me. Some of these are very price comparable too!
Yes, anything over $16 is definitely too much per fan, for my blood.
Thanks for this crazy list btw!
I'm going to list the current prices and images just for... documenting and deciding sake. I hope that's not against the rules.
  1. Noiseblocker NB-Multiframe M12-P – PWM - $24.57
  2. Noiseblocker NB-Blacksilent XLP – PWM - $12.22
  3. Noiseblocker NB-eLoop B12-P Bionic fan - $22.22
  4. Akasa APACHE S-Flow PWM - $21.85
  5. Swiftech Helix fan PWM - $14.81 Really liking this look and price, and what you had to say
  6. Noiseblocker NB-BlackSilentPRO PL-PS - $19.63
  7. Noiseblocker NB-Blacksilent XL2 Rev.3 - $10.98
  8. Scythe Gentle Typhoon AP-14's/AP-15's - $16.05/$15.80
  9. San Ace 9G1212H1011 – Short of ebay, these suckers are hard to find!
  10. Koolance FAN-12038HBK - $10.24 Well priced! They just don't look as sharp as some of the others
  11. Bitfenix Spectre 120mm Fan - $7.99


2) Are most of these fans suitable for running just push on a UT60? Or would Push/pull be strongly recommended to keep rpms/noise and temperatures down?
So far I'm really considering the Swiftech fan, or the Gentle Typhoons. Your descriptions made them sound rather efficient and quiet, and I like the looks of them too. However, if I only need to buy fans for push, I may consider spending top dollar on 4 Noiseblocker NB-Multiframe M12-P – PWM.


3) And yes, the 8-fan PWM controller sounds like the simplest route. Do you use one of these too?
8 Way PWM Splitter - $9.95
http://www.swiftech.com/8-waypwmsplitter.aspx


4) Your explanation of these decouplers literally blew my mind. I mean, both you and Sean have given me some really solid advice thus far, but I can`t believe I've never even heard of these decouplers. They sound like a god-send!
Phobya Shroud & decoupling 120mm (7mm thickness) - $3.93
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p7965_Phobya-Shroud---decoupling-120mm--7mm-thickness-.html


5) As for the silicone fan silencers for the case, with beveled edges, I believe this is the product you describe?
http://www.aquatuning.us/product_info.php/info/p3687_vibration-damper-120mm-fans-black.html
They seem to have a better reputation for shipping to Canada for reasonable fees, over Performance P’s.

Thanks again for everyones help, and sorry for the delayed reply.
Once I've chosen the parts, I can start planning a colour scheme, order the components and wait for the 900D to release wink.gif
Exciting!

1) I would really suggest staying away from the BitFenix fans, as there are much better options that cost much less. You have some listed, which I highlighted. I run my UT60 240 with 4 of the Koolance fans Push-Pull and for the money I have yet to come across a fan that is anywhere near as good! They are a bit loud to some people, although they ARE QUIETER THAN the Corsair SP120PE fans. They work amazingly well with the shrouds/decouplers!
I "bolded" all of the fans I have used that I think are the best for the money, and in order of preference it would go: Koolance/San Ace, Swiftech, Akasa, Gentle Typhoon

2) The Koolance fans or the San Ace fans will be MORE than adequate for Push on a UT60! They will deliver incredibly awesome temps!

3) I don't own one of those, but keep in mind it will only work with PWM fans IIRC. I use a BitFenix Hydra Pro fan controller as it works extremely well even with the fairly high amperage fans I use (and having 3-4 fans per channel, too).

4) You're very welcome! When I found them, I couldn't believe I'd never heard of them before! They give you the "shroud" benefit, they reduce noise, AND they seal the space between the fan and the rad!

5) Those vibration dampeners will work, absolutely; in fact, brand doesn't really matter, just so long as they're the right size for the fan and they don't have any user reviews saying that they block airflow or anything like that.

The final setup would be something like this (excuse the crude "sketch"):

CASE
[_______________Dampeners____________]
| FANS |
|_____________________________________|
{_____________Decouplers______________}
| |
| |
|____________Rad_____________________|

Then you can have another decoupler on the on the other side, then another fan, if you run push pull.
   
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Thanks again for the great reply, nleksan,


1) My D5 pump with tach cable will be connecting to the CPU_fan header to control pump speed

2) I'll have 4-8 fans connected to a swiftech 8 way PWM splitter. This is powered by a PSU molex connector, but still had a PWM connector that can hook to the motherboard or a fan controller. yet, I read radiator PWM fan speeds should be dependent on radiator temperatures. How is this done?
It sounds simplest if I have the Asus fanXpert utility control speeds based on temperatures.. But this will already be focusing on the CPU temp/pump speed - right?

3) The remaining case fans will also connect to a swiftech 8 way PWM splitter and be powered by the PSU. Could I also connect this to the MVF fan headers? According to a TechPowerUp review, this board has 8 4-pin PWM-based headers, but again I have no idea if the board can MANAGE all these pwm fans through splitters, even if they are powered by the PSU (so we don't need to worry about 1A limit on each header)

Thanks again, to anyone who reads.
Figuring this out, one step at a time.


For reference to any new readers: this is the Swiftech 8-way PWM splitter

Edited by Dragon-Emperor - 4/3/13 at 2:48pm
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Looks good.

The D5 Vario's can not be controlled by the motherboard. The RPM wire is only for reporting the pump speed. If you really want motherboard control you need the Swiftech PWM version of the D5.

That PWM splitter will work fine with your motherboard headers, it just means that all fans connected to it will run at the same speed.

Edit: To my mind the best and most logical way for controlling radiator fans is based on water temperature. The fans are not cooling the components so basing fans speeds on their temps creates a bit of a disconnect that prevents getting the best results.
To do it you need either water temp sensors, or nearly as effectively you can just tape a normal temp sensor to the side of a radiator. Water sensors can be used with most fan controllers on the market, but most of them won't let you define your own fan control curves.

I have several different Corsair fans and have undervolted all of them. None of them click.
Edited by Jakusonfire - 4/3/13 at 4:24pm
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Thank you for the reply Jakusonfire,

Now I'm not sure which D5 version I want. Oh boy. wackosmiley.gif

So, for the radiator fans, if I were to have their speed be determined by the radiator temperature, would I need a fan controller unit for this?

Like, 8 rad fans > to the Swiftech 8-way PWM splitter > single PWM header on fan controller unit, that has a temperature sensor that determines the PWM speed of this header?
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