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Here's what the U.S. govt officially had to say about this
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"Chinese authors believe the United States already is carrying out offensive cyber espionage and exploitation against China. China therefore must protect its own assets first in order to preserve the capability to go on the offensive. While this is a highly unpopular statement, WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF A CYBER ARMS RACE AND NEED TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY!

This race was intensified when China created Kylin, their own hardened server operating system and began to convert their systems back in 2007. This action also made our offensive cyber capabilities ineffective against them given the cyber weapons were designed to be used against Linux, UNIX and Windows."
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Here's what the U.S. govt officially had to say about this
Quote:
"Chinese authors believe the United States already is carrying out offensive cyber espionage and exploitation against China. China therefore must protect its own assets first in order to preserve the capability to go on the offensive. While this is a highly unpopular statement, WE ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES OF A CYBER ARMS RACE AND NEED TO RESPOND ACCORDINGLY!

This race was intensified when China created Kylin, their own hardened server operating system and began to convert their systems back in 2007. This action also made our offensive cyber capabilities ineffective against them given the cyber weapons were designed to be used against Linux, UNIX and Windows."

China is not only corrupted by it's own state but in the population as well. Hearing the stories of the chinese families that come over here tell, it's really darn crap over there. Now the government wants to make it worse for them? It probably has very little to do with outside sources, especially with the cyber attacks the chinese conduct on the west. :/

And by chinese I merely mean their system...and well...that means their government.
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You mean the way the u.s. govt has remote access to all the systems using windows?

yeah a cyber war where the ccp tries to steal us corporate secrets and the us steals...what exactly? china isn't really a tech leader.

i don't doubt the us the engages in state espionage, but this is done by all nation-states, for security reasons. maybe if china allowed more intellectual freedom the us would be motivated to steal tech secrets from china
Edited by perfectblade - 3/24/13 at 10:18pm
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China is not only corrupted by it's own state but in the population as well. Hearing the stories of the chinese families that come over here tell, it's really darn crap over there. Now the government wants to make it worse for them? It probably has very little to do with outside sources, especially with the cyber attacks the chinese conduct on the west. :/

And by chinese I merely mean their system...and well...that means their government.

While I do agree with the corruption in the government, the people are generally pretty well off. Most of my family still live in china and they're doing pretty well. They live pretty much like any american would, go shopping, watch movies, and watch TV. All the "no freedom" stuff is really blown out of proportion. You could basically do anything an american could. Basically just watch where you get your info from, some people just generally hate china with a passion (understandable). Take a trip there, it'll be worth your while smile.gif
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...their government should start a program to hire their own people to write an OS to compete, and that it could be done in 1-2 years.

Hahaha, a government project finished in 1-2 years? I'd be giving them a round of applause if they managed to "rush" a half-baked product out the door in half a decade. I'd also expect it to cost millions more than originally budgeted. If the government can spend millions on websites that provide no public benefit and have enough capacity to support 10 concurrent users then imagine what an OS would cost!
    
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China is not only corrupted by it's own state but in the population as well. Hearing the stories of the chinese families that come over here tell, it's really darn crap over there. Now the government wants to make it worse for them? It probably has very little to do with outside sources, especially with the cyber attacks the chinese conduct on the west. :/

And by chinese I merely mean their system...and well...that means their government.

I have never seen a more corrupt form of government than that of Western governments. I have nothing and I mean nothing good to say about European or Western governments in general, which so gladly impoverish and starve their population, all the while gladly feeding the military industrial complex, the prison industrial complex, cover up the astronomical fraud committed by banks, insurers and make it easier for them by allowing these corrupt institutions to self regulate. Remember Sanlu when the CEO and managers got shot? You seen the same happen in the West ever? No? Spare us your finger pointing, thanks.
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You mean the way the u.s. govt has remote access to all the systems using windows?

yeah a cyber war where the ccp tries to steal us corporate secrets and the us steals...what exactly? china isn't really a tech leader.

i don't doubt the us the engages in state espionage, but this is done by all nation-states, for security reasons. maybe if china allowed more intellectual freedom the us would be motivated to steal tech secrets from china

lol@intellectual freedom. i'm pretty sure that it's the u.s and european regimes that are trying to block intellectual freedom. the u.s and european regime impose sanctions on most indpendent countries, including China. and what i love most about that is that China was able to build a space ship, even with the u.s and european sanctions. and guess what, China's space ship didnt blow up like nasa's challenger, and columbia, although im sure the cia would have liked to have blown it up. mind you, the united states regime hires engineers from all over the world, while China only relies on local talent, not to mention that China is suffering from brain drain. but nontheless, China still sent a man to space several times. China is a respectable country. foreigners have been going to China for thousands of years to learn stuff like kung fu, science, and arts free of charge, while westerners all want to charge a fortune for their "services". something just doesnt sound right about the western standard. if the united states regime doesnt like a website, they simply shut it down. and you'll see them. "seized by homeland security". i never heard of China reaching across borders to do that. now the shills accuse China of being "authoritarian", but what do you call the department of "justice" shutting down websites they dont like? and any website that doesnt get shut down just gets hacked to death by the nsa.

trust me, the us engages in state espionage, and every kind of espionage you can think of. the cia has a bigger budget than the entire Chinese military, and whats worse is that the cia budget is black, so you don't know what theyre spending on, including sponsoring terrorism and so on. if the Chinese steals corporate secrets, then wouldnt they be dominating the market instead of the usa, europe, south korea, and japan? well, i think i just answered my own question, it is the regimes that cry the loudest, accusing others of stealing that are the ones usually doing the stealing. come to think of it, america, canada, australia, and new zealand are all stolen land, so why would it come to anyones surprise that these regimes are still stealing everything that isnt nailed down? also, you should check out echelon. theyre a program where the anglo countries team up to spy on all telecommunication (phone, internet) world wide to steal information, and sabatoging competitors, amongst other things. why do you think the u.s military invented the internet in the first place? 1) surveilance 2) propaganda.
Edited by Sustaita1962 - 3/25/13 at 7:33am
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China is not only corrupted by it's own state but in the population as well. Hearing the stories of the chinese families that come over here tell, it's really darn crap over there. Now the government wants to make it worse for them? It probably has very little to do with outside sources, especially with the cyber attacks the chinese conduct on the west. :/

And by chinese I merely mean their system...and well...that means their government.

While I do agree with the corruption in the government, the people are generally pretty well off. Most of my family still live in china and they're doing pretty well. They live pretty much like any american would, go shopping, watch movies, and watch TV. All the "no freedom" stuff is really blown out of proportion. You could basically do anything an american could. Basically just watch where you get your info from, some people just generally hate china with a passion (understandable). Take a trip there, it'll be worth your while smile.gif
the funny thing about corruption is that China was virtually corruption free during the communist era. Mao had stamped it all out, along with crime, prostitution, drugs, gambling, etc. now that they're capitalist, they're complaining about corruption. capitalism brought all the crime, prostitution, drugs, and gambling is back, in addition to pollution. well, let's go back to the communist era then.
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