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It's funny how a thread about the Chinese creating their own version of Linux turned into a topic about which country is more corrupt. I'm White and let me tell you how I see the US of A.
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China is not only corrupted by it's own state but in the population as well. Hearing the stories of the chinese families that come over here tell, it's really darn crap over there. Now the government wants to make it worse for them? It probably has very little to do with outside sources, especially with the cyber attacks the chinese conduct on the west. :/

And by chinese I merely mean their system...and well...that means their government.

Like our system of government isn't corrupt ass hell, our government just doesn't tell you to your face. At least in China I would know if I was getting screwed, but then again the owners of this country are becoming more and more brazen in their actions and the reason is because people are too numb and lazy to do anything about it. A lot whining and crying on internet forums, but that's about it. People are being less and less active with their voices and ideas.

My friends (White, Caucasian) who own businesses and live in China say the city they work (Shenzhen and Shanghai) in is like any other major US city. You have absolute freedom to do anything you want. They even have gay and lesbian bars.

All the stuff you hear on mainstream media is just the modern day version of the Iron Curtain. When was the last time you heard anything positive about China? Mexico? All I hear these days on the news are illegal immigrants, drug trafficking (Mexico), hackers and human rights (China).

It would be absolutely ignorant for anyone to think that those 2 countries consist of only those activities we hear on our mainstream media.

The US is probably the only developed country on this planet to still have slavery, Blacks in our penitentiary system and Mexicans doing our low wage jobs. How are we any better?
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China has had their own home grown variant of redhat for over 10 years. This really isn't news.


This is kind of what I was thinking.The chinese have already had the option to use a linux variant so I don't see this taking away from windows very much.
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No we don't.

But the past few years have been pretty big.

the past few years have been progress... but yes you do. I've been hearing it since I got into the linux game in 1994. Linux has grown very very marginally since that time and continues to grow marginally.

Let me repeat for you and everyone else what I said very early in the thread before it was derailed by a corruption POLITICAL conversation that is AGAINST THE TOS.

CHINA HAS HAD THEIR OWN VARIANT OF LINUX FOR OVER 10 YEARS LINUX HAS NOT GAINED ANY MARKET SHARE FROM THAT
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Again, no we don't.

And the past few years have been pretty big for Linux. Go do a bit of research instead of mindless bashing.

Again, yes you do.

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Originally Posted by djsi38t View Post

This is kind of what I was thinking.The chinese have already had the option to use a linux variant so I don't see this taking away from windows very much.


Yes I have no idea why that is so hard for people to grasp.
 
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"China to create home-grown OS based on Ubuntu"

Isn't that kind of a contradiction in and of itself?

China is going to create a home-grown operating system, but they're going to base it on an existing OS that is and was developed by a British company owned by a South African, who based their software on work done by the American-based Debian Project, who forked his project from work done by a Canadian, who based his own distro on a OS kernel written by a hacker from Finland.

But the end result of China's project will be home-grown. Yeah, that does sound like how the Chinese tech industry operates.

It's not really news, anyway. China's been trying to force people to use a spyware-filled rip-off of Red Hat called "Red Flag Linux" on computers for several years now.
     
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It's funny how a thread about the Chinese creating their own version of Linux turned into a topic about which country is more corrupt. I'm White and let me tell you how I see the US of A.
Like our system of government isn't corrupt ass hell, our government just doesn't tell you to your face. At least in China I would know if I was getting screwed, but then again the owners of this country are becoming more and more brazen in their actions and the reason is because people are too numb and lazy to do anything about it. A lot whining and crying on internet forums, but that's about it. People are being less and less active with their voices and ideas.

My friends (White, Caucasian) who own businesses and live in China say the city they work (Shenzhen and Shanghai) in is like any other major US city. You have absolute freedom to do anything you want. They even have gay and lesbian bars.

All the stuff you hear on mainstream media is just the modern day version of the Iron Curtain. When was the last time you heard anything positive about China? Mexico? All I hear these days on the news are illegal immigrants, drug trafficking (Mexico), hackers and human rights (China).

It would be absolutely ignorant for anyone to think that those 2 countries consist of only those activities we hear on our mainstream media.

The US is probably the only developed country on this planet to still have slavery, Blacks in our penitentiary system and Mexicans doing our low wage jobs. How are we any better?

FINALLY! Someone said it. You'd be surprised how many people haven't read the 13th amendment. ANYWAY! back on topic, still don't see what the big deal is. It's almost as if China is saying "Please use this OS so we can watch you even easier".
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Originally Posted by HanSomPa View Post

Maybe because it is? Do you read the news by any chance?

I'll concede the topic of Linux to you guys. I'm not very well acquainted with the community except Ubuntu. So if you guys insist that you don't you'd know better than me. That said I still don't think Linux will get anywhere this year tongue.gif

Oh right yeah american news....
No I have visited china and know many people from both the mainland and Hong Kong, it really isn't that bad for the average person. Well except the internet censoring.

Well attempting to get back to the topic at hand
Although china has had a version of redhat for 10 years, redhat was never really your average desktop OS, it was more orientated towards servers and mainframes. So a chinese home use distro would still be interesting to see its affect on chinas os market share.

EDIT Wrote that with out reading about red flag linux, I just assumed it was a more server type linux distro.
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And who thinks they will send fixes back to the developers? derived versions? GPL?
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Maybe because it is? Do you read the news by any chance?

I don't think reading the news makes anyone more educated, just more consumeristic and opinionated (not their own opinions though, someone else's).
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CHINA HAS HAD THEIR OWN VARIANT OF LINUX FOR OVER 10 YEARS LINUX HAS NOT GAINED ANY MARKET SHARE FROM THAT

Was it pushed by the government? I knew they had a distro but I don't know anything about it. Government backing is really the key ingredient in take-up in the public sector, although I still don't think it will be taken up outside of the public sector all that much regardless of how much backing it gets.
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China is going to create a home-grown operating system, but they're going to base it on an existing OS that is and was developed by a British company owned by a South African, who based their software on work done by the American-based Debian Project, who forked his project from work done by a Canadian, who based his own distro on a OS kernel written by a hacker from Finland.

Even if they developed it from scratch they would likely be using tools developed overseas to build and test it (even if it's just a text editor). There's no reason to make it 100% home grown. Reinventing the wheel is one of the top things you don't do when writing software. It's likely that they'd be bundling in a fair bit of their own software, and while applications are not strictly part of the OS they are as far as the media and most people are concerned, providing that they are included by default.
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And who thinks they will send fixes back to the developers? derived versions? GPL?

The GPL would need to be enforceable in China. I don't know if it is or not.
    
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I don't think reading the news makes anyone more educated, just more consumeristic and opinionated (not their own opinions though, someone else's).
Was it pushed by the government? I knew they had a distro but I don't know anything about it. Government backing is really the key ingredient in take-up in the public sector, although I still don't think it will be taken up outside of the public sector all that much regardless of how much backing it gets.
Even if they developed it from scratch they would likely be using tools developed overseas to build and test it (even if it's just a text editor). There's no reason to make it 100% home grown. Reinventing the wheel is one of the top things you don't do when writing software. It's likely that they'd be bundling in a fair bit of their own software, and while applications are not strictly part of the OS they are as far as the media and most people are concerned, providing that they are included by default.
The GPL would need to be enforceable in China. I don't know if it is or not.


Yes I know at one point the Chinese govt was going around shutting down internet cafes running windows and forcing Red Flag into all computers on them. Government ministries have been mandated to use Red Flag since the early 2000s. The Chinese officially swear that it's all voluntary but if you pull someone aside and pay them enough to convince them telling you the truth wont get them killed they'll tell you differently. It was at one point more than government backed it was forced. The cafe thing didn't last long as those cafes all strangely started losing customers and sales. No one wanted to use Red Flag the same reason no one will want to use a Chinese developed Ubuntu variant. 老大哥在看著.
 
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