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Originally Posted by Cheezman View Post

Wait, I thought China already had their own operating system?


That's Japanese. If you're curious, 激安 means "bargain priced" "or "dirt cheap" and the top says "Used computers & parts shop", meaning they don't actually deal with software at all, much less knock-off versions of MS operating systems. Just an advertising gimmick. The bottom is just the Japanese spelling of the name "Maikuru-Sofuto". thumb.gif
Edited by MoonRunes - 3/23/13 at 5:22pm
post #72 of 161
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Originally Posted by atarione View Post

why would anyone in china want to use the "offical state operating system" which doubtless has government back doors and god knows what else to tattle on you if you try going around the Great Firewall of China

...who knows all their pirate copies of XP may be seeded by the gov w/ the backdoors ..etc baked in...

meh...

I kinda doubt it is going to move the Chinese away from pirate copies of windows... Windows 8 might smile.gif
you think US or Canada doesn't have the same ability to get into your computer? I wish is was so naive.
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you think US or Canada doesn't have the same ability to get into your computer? I wish is was so naive.

Uh...Windows and Skype especially have in place things for the government to spy on you. I thought that was common knowledge.
     
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Example: open Firefox on a Linux desktop, now move the window to where you like it on your screen, now close and re-open Firefox. Guess what? it forgot where you positioned the window last time and opened it back at the top left again.

This is somewhat an application defect and somewhat a political problem. Most application developers believe that it is the window manager's concern where windows are placed, whereas the WM developers believe the application should either specify where to place its windows or leave it up to the WM to decide based on one of several algorithms. Both are somewhat right. The WM is responsible for window placement and movement (obviously), but it doesn't understand which windows are important and which are not, whereas the application does. Storing state information for every window ever created would be very inefficient. Instead, an application can save the state of one or more of its important windows and let the WM decide where to place any secondary windows (like options dialogs etc). This is how it works on Windows. The Desktop Window Manager does not care about a window's previous state; if an application wants to appear at (1040, 400) then it will need to set its location accordingly.

Some Linux/cross-platform software developers think pragmatically and save their own window states. Skype is one such application. Others have decided to enter the circular blame game and tell users to go talk to the WM developers, who in turn tell users to talk to application developers. In some cases they deliberately removed window location because it was considered a bug that needed to be "fixed". Check out this nonsense:
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Actually, [the saving of window location] was never 'working' (not as intended anyway), it was added for Windows only but also happened to work on non-Windows. That was reported as a bug and was subsequently fixed.

Enjoy: https://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/7172

Unfortunately some developers live in a dream world of the theoretical and ignore pragmatism.
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Well your post should win an award for......something bad. You are wrong on so many levels it is not even REMOTELY funny.

Please try again.

Its not wrong, the quality of the linux desktop ui's is laughable, bottom line. The applications are just as bad for the most part. Don't even mention gimp, the gui is so broken, only people who enjoy root canals use it versus paying for photoshop. The sooner the linux community yanks its head from its posterior and tackles these issue head on, with objectiveness, the sooner it will make inroads into the mainstream.

I'll not hold my breath, its going to be someone elses fualt, yet agian.let the design by comite finger pointing begin. I think if China actually did throw resources at linux, they could make something out of it.
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considering China's population, this is gonna decrease the world wide market share of Windows tremendously

which is good

And I don't think a lot of others' would like to use software coming from such a government that is already getting some nation's annoyed by their little breaches here and there on countries in the information wars.

If anything, this might be a HUGE problem for the rest of the world and possibly spike a lot of issues with so much outside of technology. I don't mean to make this political, but it is definitely a topic that is going to draw a massive amount of political interest. An operating system under government supervision to enter the free market? And especially the Chinese government to force and impose their OS on manufacturers to generate support on such a scale. I'm all for a new OS to compete with Windows, and frankly I agree that this is a REALLY good way of doing so, but it's coming from the wrong influence and it is going to possible cause a lot of political problems, let alone, human rights issues.
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Its not wrong, the quality of the linux desktop ui's is laughable, bottom line. The applications are just as bad for the most part. Don't even mention gimp, the gui is so broken, only people who enjoy root canals use it versus paying for photoshop. The sooner the linux community yanks its head from its posterior and tackles these issue head on, with objectiveness, the sooner it will make inroads into the mainstream.

I'll not hold my breath, its going to be someone elses fualt, yet agian.let the design by comite finger pointing begin. I think if China actually did throw resources at linux, they could make something out of it.

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They are not all the same and there are many many different options if you dislike one.
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This will probably not end up being used, and everyone in China will still use windows.
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considering China's population, this is gonna decrease the world wide market share of Windows tremendously

which is good

Because?
   
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This will probably not end up being used, and everyone in China will still use windows.

you mean they will use bimbos, i mean binbows
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