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Originally Posted by icanhasburgers View Post

If Intel did go so strong with soldered on chips that surely would put MSI and all the other brands at a problem? I mean they could do it too, but it'd limit them quite largely.
All the motherboard manufacturers have capable BGA soldering equipment. Intel would just stop selling CPUs directly to consumers.
post #22 of 64
People are forgetting that when Intel meant BGA chips for new architectures, they meant for things like the NUC. The i3 on there is BGA and everyone loves that thing.
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post #23 of 64
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Wait a minute.....i thought Intel already debunked the whole non upgradable fiasco thing a while ago? thinking.gif

They did, this is the people who mistakingly reported that Intel was mainly moving to BGA trying to gain some credit back.
(Really, it's been well known Intel are going to have a lot of BGA chips, but stick with LGA for desktops for a while now)
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Well as one that is on both sides have a FX-8120/HD6950 FX-8350/7950 and a i5 3570K/GTX670 rigs both of my AMD rigs can keep up with the i5 in any game or app I have tried.

After reading so many post about how bad the FX CPU's are I thought for my 2013 rig I would go intel plus there was not really any way to go up in the CPU area with AMD anyway I was shocked to find that even the FX-8120 rig can perform just as good as the i5 rig in everything. Outside of synthetic benchmarks that do not really mean a whole lot in the real world the FX CPU's are every bit on par with at least the i5 3570K since that is the only intel CPU I have used for many many years.

It's because most games are GPU limited, people here make out the difference to be massive when the worst I've seen in my testing (Which included SC2) was around ~20fps or so...And that was an outlier.
But this is all off-topic.
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Originally Posted by Kasp1js View Post

oh you want a low end pentium for a home file server, sure we'll solder them on Hx1 boards with only 2 sata ports.

Throw in a good RAID card, it's only smart to anyway and the IGP is more than enough for a file server.
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Originally Posted by keiths View Post

If that's the case for what you run, great, but there are things that Intel's much stronger CPU shows itself. Here's an 8150 trading blows with.. an e8400, and around half the performance of i7s. http://www.mameui.info/Bench.htm

And those are all easily playable for the most part bar one...In the real world, AMD competes extremely well, the FX-8320 roughly matches an i5 3570k clock for clock while costing less. I'm not even going to bother linking to examples as I've done it countless times only to hear back "YEAH BUT GAMING", as though it's the only performance metric for fast CPUs.
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Originally Posted by Buzzin92 View Post

People are forgetting that when Intel meant BGA chips for new architectures, they meant for things like the NUC. The i3 on there is BGA and everyone loves that thing.

Exactly where the rumour started.
    
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they debunked it, then rebunked it, and it looks like they're changing up again.

personally, i almost wish they WOULD go with soldering cpu's right onto boards, so enthusiasts would go more towards AMD

Except Enthusiasts would keep buying LGA2011 & successor platforms instead, which have been confirmed to stay LGA.

So what I got out this article is this:
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There will be entry-level chips for desktops based on Broadwell and Skylake architectures in BGA packaging, just like there are various Atom and ultra-low-power chips in BGA form-factor today. Still the majority of mainstream desktop chips will come in LGA packaging, which allows interchangeability of chips for OEMs and upgradeability for the end-user.

So the low end Broadwell & Skylake (Pentium and Celerons, maybe certain i3s) would ber BGA while anything quad core and up will be LGA. What intrigues more is what Intel does with the Skylake successor which currently don't even have an official code name(Intel Engineer denied "Skymont" as the code name in a Reddit AMA last year). The "Skymont" code name never made sense anyway imo given the recent code name trends:

Sandy Bridge
Ivy Bridge
Haswell
Broadwell
Skylake

It is far more likely for it to be named XXXXlake than SkyXXX.
Edited by sherlock - 3/23/13 at 7:04am
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Just shows intel is all about power consumption and not performance thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

With ARM having an impressive preformance/power/cost ratio, I can clearly see why do they focus in that route. Intel has the performance/power, but the cost is skyscraper high. Lower any of the other two variables, and they can keep the cost skyhigh and improve that ratio.
   
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> In the real world

That is the "real world."
Edited by keiths - 3/23/13 at 7:51am
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The problem I see with this is that you'll have good cpus, but crappy motherboards that can't overclock worth crap. Bad bios', VRMs ect.

Same with video cards. Many people like the chips, but the reference board is horrendous. So people wait for the Classified or Lightning versions.

The VRM won't be on the board anymore. Know your facts.

I doubt motherboard will have much to do with haswell as well (first integrated VRM cpu). Intel will continue to integrate MB part into the cpu so the performance will be less and less dependent of the mb used.
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if they do that i wouldnt be that mad, its not like its the worst thing ever it could be more efficient. I think the design is more practical than what we have now, cpu and mobo should be one.
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Just shows intel is all about power consumption and not performance thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif

Why would they need to worry about performance? Their chips perform better than anyone else'son the market. It's not like they need all the extra performance right now anyways so why not focus on reducing power consumption? I welcome it.
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yeah and soon they will be having such a powerful cpu that we wont need graphic cards, and then no ram either, this is a win for us.
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