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yeah and soon they will be having such a powerful cpu that we wont need graphic cards, and then no ram either, this is a win for us.

and then no HDD/SSD.
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After some thought, if BGA kicks in as the ONLY standard that intel uses on their chips in the future, it's possible that you could still buy all sorts of motherboards from all the big manufacturers, it's just that you have to buy one with the chip already soldered onto it. If this happened in 2011, that would have meant you could buy, for example, a Maximus IV Extreme with a 2600K, a 2600, a 2500K, a 2500, etc. etc., already on there. I don't think it really means that Intel will start forcing us to use vanilla "Intel" motherboard, they'd just supply the chips to mobo companies the same way all other hardwired components are sold to them, and the consumer gets a choice of which chip he or she would like on his or her board. That is the best case in the worst case scenario.

It's really not that big a deal. Consider muscle cars in the 60's and 70's. Today's cars are not nearly as modular with nearly as many user-replaceable parts, everything is soldered and electronically controlled. But car enthusiasts still find ways to customise their car's performance using other means, and they enjoy it. Things change, so the hobby will either have to change with it, or go extinct. It's up to us to adapt to the new ways, or we can find something else to do.
Edited by lowfiwhiteguy - 3/23/13 at 1:44pm
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when we are left with just a cpu that does it all , it s the death of case moding , maybe we will see cpu painting instead tongue.gif but we are really far from that.
as for vrm inside the cpu i think it s a bad news for ocing because more heat directly in the cpu , in considerably less surface.
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when we are left with just a cpu that does it all , it s the death of case moding , maybe we will see cpu painting instead tongue.gif but we are really far from that.
as for vrm inside the cpu i think it s a bad news for ocing because more heat directly in the cpu , in considerably less surface.

It is not fully integrated on Haswell yet, the mosfets are still on the board(MSI Z87 prototype shown by CEBIT earlier this month):




Plus The CPU die is considerably smaller than the Heatspreader, there are more than enough room for other things,high quality VRM components nowadays run incredibly cool as well(at least on Gigabyte Z77 UP boards).
Edited by sherlock - 3/23/13 at 1:56pm
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It's just sad knowing that the modularity that makes our our hobby so much fun likely has an expiry date that is going to pass within the next 10 years.
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Well as one that is on both sides have a FX-8120/HD6950 FX-8350/7950 and a i5 3570K/GTX670 rigs both of my AMD rigs can keep up with the i5 in any game or app I have tried.

After reading so many post about how bad the FX CPU's are I thought for my 2013 rig I would go intel plus there was not really any way to go up in the CPU area with AMD anyway I was shocked to find that even the FX-8120 rig can perform just as good as the i5 rig in everything. Outside of synthetic benchmarks that do not really mean a whole lot in the real world the FX CPU's are every bit on par with at least the i5 3570K since that is the only intel CPU I have used for many many years.

SC2, Skyrim, etc. I noticed a huge jump from a 8120 to a 8350, the jump from a 8350 to i5 / i7 in single threaded or low threaded games is even bigger - so though I love my fx-8350, you have to understand it's weak and strong points thumb.gif

Now if the games you play are gpu bound, it really doesn't even matter much. My 8120 @ 3.1ghz vs my 8350 @ 4.4ghz made zero difference to me in BF3 single player for example - however, as a player of skyrim even @ stock 4ghz, my 8350 was A LOT faster then my 8120, even @ 4ghz and an i5 is definitely faster in that game then my 8350 @ 4.4 wink.gif

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To stay OT - I'm not a fan of this BGA mess, but glad they are holding off on it... for now
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The VRM won't be on the board anymore. Know your facts.

I doubt motherboard will have much to do with haswell as well (first integrated VRM cpu). Intel will continue to integrate MB part into the cpu so the performance will be less and less dependent of the mb used.

Actually, there are still VRMs on the mobos. We won't have the +2+1 phases from the VRMs for VTT, etc.
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Of course not. The majority of us buy one board and one chip and are done for years. We don't pull the chip out of the socket so we could admire it.
I find that to be expensive. I like buying the new chip as soon as it comes out and then selling my old one immediately. It's the cheapest way to upgrade. I got my FX-8120 for $9 and I got my FX-8320 for $20.
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So it wouldn't bother you not being able to change out your motherboard or cpu independently of each other?

Honestly when I think the cycle of Mobo tech and processor tech is streamlined enough that when I get a new Mobo- I am also shopping for a new CPU- or vice versa... so this wouldn't bother me too much either...

That said- I do like the thrill of seating the processor and that whole "process"

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That said- I do like the thrill of seating the processor and that whole "process"

:>

its like being the master of that pc, so when you open it you can be all like "I built you im your master, if it werent for me you wouldnt exist, follow my every command, now annihilate the..." anyway sort of like that
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