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I chose EK coolant and have been happy. The coloring is good and no particulates have been found. Regarding temperature, I read a lot of hear say, with very little recorded evidence. Almost like a religion of distilled water with it's own army of followers. Yes it is cheaper hands down. But for performance gains or losses, everything I found showed differences to be negligible.

Being a car nut & hobbyist racer I know what and why I use a solution for my motors. So I looked for a balanced coolant with features like flow rate, something to break water tension, and non corrosion additives. EK fit that description and I will buy more.

I didn't choose distilled water because of it's effect on metals. I wouldn't consider it for my 300XZTT, so it was never a question for my PC.
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Originally Posted by EK_tiborrr View Post

I can vouch for EK-EKoolant. It has everything you need - corrosion inhibitors, biocide yet it's very light. We couldn't measure visible performance difference between distilled water and EKoolant, every time the results were in line with statistical error. I would take those claims about 5°C temperature drops using water over coolant with the grain of salt.

How can you people at EK possibly think that anything you say will be believed or trusted ever again?
Is it safe to buy your products now, or is the plating still peeling off right after it starts discoloring?
Are you still blaming everybody for your failed products or are you finally acknowledging that you haven't a clue as to how to build reliable computer watercooling parts?
Here's a nice little read for you people at EK and, especially everybody who wants to know the true story behind these charlatans at EKWatercooling.
http://www.realredraider.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=47917
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post #43 of 93
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I chose EK coolant and have been happy. The coloring is good and no particulates have been found. Regarding temperature, I read a lot of hear say, with very little recorded evidence. Almost like a religion of distilled water with it's own army of followers. Yes it is cheaper hands down. But for performance gains or losses, everything I found showed differences to be negligible.

Being a car nut & hobbyist racer I know what and why I use a solution for my motors. So I looked for a balanced coolant with features like flow rate, something to break water tension, and non corrosion additives. EK fit that description and I will buy more.

I didn't choose distilled water because of it's effect on metals. I wouldn't consider it for my 300XZTT, so it was never a question for my PC.
. I choose distilled water because it is non conductive. Water is not naturally conductive. It's things like salt, minerals, and other additive that make it conductive.
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. I choose distilled water because it is non conductive. Water is not naturally conductive. It's things like salt, minerals, and other additive that make it conductive.

Pure water and distilled water are not always one and the same. It is highly doubtful that any distilled water from a grocery store is pure. But it is generally close enough for home medical use.

Both forms however can lead to deionization of non noble metals like the ones used in WC setups or car engines. (I admit though, I have no idea of the what alloys are used in any of my Swiftech or Alphacool parts.)

The amounts absorbed by the water are only at trace levels but over time can lead to pitting and corrosion This effect will happen at ambient temperature and can be magnified with heat, and/or the introduction of oxygen or carbon dioxide. This can lead to (and there are reported cases on this forum) of visible "copperish" discoloration in reservoirs or collection points.

So to the OP's question, coolant solutions are good for our systems. I am using EK right now and happy. True $15>$1, but still less than a percent of what i have invested in my rig.
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so its not more to say on this subject?
post #46 of 93
As was said many times before, Distilled Water is the best (In my opinion, for 99% of your water cooling needs). I would either use a silver kill coil or a biocide like Mayhem's.

If you are looking for colors, then I highly recommend Mayhem's dye. You add a couple drops at a time and you achieve a very nice result without effecting your temperatures in the slightest.



(Mayhem's Deep Red on my latest build)


Now if you want a more opaque look, I recommend Mayhem's Pastel line of colors. You can get a different look (not to mention you can thin it out and/or add dye to it to change the tone), but the trade off is that it seems to run about 1-2C warmer than just straight water or water and dye.







If you use Mayhem's Pastel line, you do not need a biocide as it is already in there. If you use the Mayhem dye, you will need it, and having used both silver and a biocide, I personally prefer the ease of a biocide (Mayhems of course).

I have also used "Pre-mixed", which is VERY expensive for a larger loop like in my "The Betty" build. It cost me about $90 to use 3 bottles of Fluid XP+. Granted it lasted me 10 months before I tore my loop down to change out the Primochill tubing (which had Plasticising issues, but not in my case, but I wasn't taking any chances, so I replaced it and the fluid with water and blue Mayhem dye) and it cost me $9 to refill. In another couple months, I'll change all the water again, and now that I have a bottle of blue dye, it will only cost me $1 for a gallon of distilled (I have enough dye to last me for a couple years ... all for $8.

When I went from Fluid XP+ to Distilled, I noticed no temperature differences at all. So I am suspicious of the claims that "xxx Fluid" will actually lower your temps by 3-5C.

Now as far as deionized water goes, that may or may not be technically better, but in most cases, it is much more expensive and harder to find locally. If you buy it over the net, then shipping will kill you dollar wise.

Other companies offer "xxx Pure water". Which is usually like $10 per liter plus shipping (including Mayhem). I haven't tried them, mainly due to cost.

For me, I would much rather go with Distilled and either Dye or Pastel from Mayhem ... depending on the look I want to achieve.
Edited by 47 Knucklehead - 4/1/13 at 11:25am
post #47 of 93
Almost everyone said water but I wanted to my vote in for water too.

I've seen terrible things caused by coolant such as completely clogging blocks and radiators to staining your water tubes.

I have never seen anyone have a problem with distilled water...

The only thing I can say why someone would use coolant is so they can feel 'cool' that they are using a coolant in their computer? idk... specool.gif
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post #48 of 93
The only reason why we use "coolant" in cars is because it is "antifreeze", otherwise water is best.

Adding coolant only makes temperatures worse, but is a necessity in most climates.

Coloured loops are hideous and mainly gear towards extracting money from posers.
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post #49 of 93
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The only reason why we use "coolant" in cars is because it is "antifreeze", otherwise water is best.

Adding coolant only makes temperatures worse, but is a necessity in most climates.

Coloured loops are hideous and mainly gear towards extracting money from posers.

NVM....

Personally I use coolant as a simple premixed solution. I don't want to worry about corrosion or biological growth. And I get the bonus of the colored fluid look so a pre-dyed coolant works well for me.
Edited by agussio - 4/2/13 at 7:36am
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Man these threads are like oil threads in car and motorcycle forum... Arguing over a meaning less topic.


Use whatever you want.. water, antifreeze, silver, Bioide, coolant etc
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