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AMD v Intel and the Kaver/Steamroller...  

Poll Results: AMD is crippled and Intel is thriving so how it will roll out:

This is a multiple choice poll
  • 85% of voters (12)
    AMD will survive and be again at the level of Intel...
  • 14% of voters (2)
    AMD will go bankcrupt and Intel will have monopoly and antitrust law execution in USA will fail as the same with Microsoft...
  • 7% of voters (1)
    IBM will enter in place of AMD against Intel...
14 Total Votes  
post #1 of 5
Thread Starter 
We all know that Intel did many illegal things against AMD and it really damaged us the customers, people lost jobs, companies died, prices went up and AMD was crippled forever...

http://www.ftc.gov/os/adjpro/d9341/091216intelcmpt.pdf

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/opinion/1137347/amd-versus-intel-actions-plus

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ajcy3sv6itLc&refer=home

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?242272-Intel-s-quot-cripple-AMD-quot-function-Will-Intel-be-forced-to-remove-the-quot-cripple-AMD-quot-funct

http://www.dailytech.com/FT+Claims+Intel+Paid+Retailers+Not+to+Carry+AMD+Products/article3146.htm

http://www.dailytech.com/EU+Pushes+to+Charge+Intel+with+Illegal+Business+Practices/article5742.htm

Intel does not behave well towards their own employees...
http://www.faceintel.com/

Now after all that, AMD is struggling and Intel is thriving as endless hordes of loyal and brainwashed sheep's thankfully to their cheating while also saying slightly improved and radically shrinked C2D(based/derived from Pentium 3) architecture based processor... With some very small improvements and slacking off.

I hope that the HSA technology in Kaveri with Steamroller core's will slam Intel and people start buying AMD and improve overall condition in market that is currently not very competitive after AMD's demise. What is your take on this?

I am sorry if my english language skills are not well developed, I am from Croatia.
Edited by vampirr - 3/23/13 at 2:16pm
post #2 of 5
AMD will never be at the level of Intel in terms of performance chips, they just don't have the resources to do so. Intel technically have 20x as much money as AMD to put towards research and development. The only way AMD can become as popular as Intel is if they carry on doing what they have been doing and make their chips as cheap as possible. In the past few years AMD has really been struggling financially, that will probably change with the release of the new APU driven consoles though.
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post #3 of 5
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Originally Posted by AndyM95 View Post

AMD will never be at the level of Intel in terms of performance chips, they just don't have the resources to do so. Intel technically have 20x as much money as AMD to put towards research and development. The only way AMD can become as popular as Intel is if they carry on doing what they have been doing and make their chips as cheap as possible. In the past few years AMD has really been struggling financially, that will probably change with the release of the new APU driven consoles though.

The only thing i would add (please correct me if I am wrong) is that a couple of months ago AMD actually accepted defeat by stating that they plan to focus their interest in other platforms.
   
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post #4 of 5
"defeat" is kind of a logical leap that a lot of hardware reviews used to get hits. on the same lines as this headline "Intel killing replaceable processors" from SA.
Quote:
AMD is a leader in x86 microprocessor design, and we remain committed to the x86 market. Our strategy is to accelerate our growth by taking advantage of our design capabilities to deliver a breadth of products that best align with broader industry shifts toward low power, emerging markets and the cloud.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
AMD is doing just fine in my book. Them trimming some of the fat last year seems to be doing good. APUs are solid. GPU division
and the driver teams are very competitive. $100 ivy bridge Pentium vs $100 FX-4300 or in Europe around 100 euro FX-6300
are good values against the i3.

AMD Set To Break Its Growth Record In India Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Dell's fraud settlement explodes PC market myths
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/07/26/after_the_dell_settlement/
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Intel's rebates amounted to 38 per cent of Dell's operating profit in the fiscal year 2006, and rose to 76 per cent (or $720m) in one quarter alone, Q1 2007.
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post #5 of 5
Heuchler is becoming one of my favorite posters. wink.gif He is spot on.

To OP:
I don't know why you bother posting this thread. Go where the price performance is. If you buy stuff like Bulldozer you're wasting money. Vishera did some improving, but the benches aren't out fro any of the next processors like Steamroller.

I gravitate toward price/performance. Intel may be bad ethically, but buying a bad product such as Bulldozer isn't that great of a solution.

I prefer AMD over Intel or NVIDIA because I have bad experiences with NVIDIA lying to customers. But it doesn't stop me from buying NVIDIA products. AMD just has superior hardware since HD4000 series, CUDA/Lightboost hack notwithstanding.

All the Intel/NVIDIA fanboys need to understand that AMD must exist for them to not be monopolies and not price gouge consumers.

If HSA becomes big (which it may given the amount of other companies supporting it and OpenCL) Steamroller will be a hit. It leverages AMD's strong point which is graphics hardware. NVIDIA has had superior support from developers (see CUDA) and TWIMTBP titles, but Bioshock Infinite/Tomb Raider/Far Cry 3/Sleeping Dogs/etc. are showing the tide is changing.
Edited by AlphaC - 3/23/13 at 5:24pm
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