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you are right, Mister, i apologize. here is the right run at 4GHz Quad on my Phenom and the 7970 at stock . . .

Pretty good numbers for a Thuban.

To be fair, that benchmark makes it look like the Shogun 2: Total War play experience is going to be significantly worse with any processor other than an Ivy Bridge. As a matter of actual practice the real-world difference only shows up in the largest of large battles (absolute max unit numbers & sizes for single-player or 2v2 multiplayer battles or something like that), and other than those scenarios, which the CPU test basically replicates, a CPU like your Thuban is going to perform swimmingly (like in the GPU test you ran). It's only in those relatively extreme situations that the improved performance of ivy bridge is going to be a noticeable improvement.

As with any modern CPU vs CPU discussion, the real-life benefits are typically on the margins and not on the level of "playable or not".
    
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Pretty good numbers for a Thuban.

To be fair, that benchmark makes it look like the Shogun 2: Total War play experience is going to be significantly worse with any processor other than an Ivy Bridge. As a matter of actual practice the real-world difference only shows up in the largest of large battles (absolute max unit numbers & sizes for single-player or 2v2 multiplayer battles or something like that), and other than those scenarios, which the CPU test basically replicates, a CPU like your Thuban is going to perform swimmingly (like in the GPU test you ran). It's only in those relatively extreme situations that the improved performance of ivy bridge is going to be a noticeable improvement.

As with any modern CPU vs CPU discussion, the real-life benefits are typically on the margins and not on the level of "playable or not".

i had to make an errand and was not able to unlock the chip. anyway, they turned off aa and dof if i read correctly, so my numbers are a bit off. what's up with the 1100's score?

EDIT: no need to unlock just oc a little higher. here is Quad 4.3GHz . . .





again no teaking of aa and dof. i hit fraps in the last run midway and got a higher score somewhat.
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Those bit-tech benches seem odd to me... do you have a second source? Unless Ivy Bridge has some magic feature that Total War uses well... but then it is faster clock for clock

Intel Core i7-3770K (4.8GHz) beating Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition (4.7GHz) doesn't make sense to me unless it's something to do with different memory setups
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Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition 3.3GHz (33 x 100MHz) 4.7GHz (38 x 123.75MHz) CPU strap: 125MHz, RAM: 1.98GHz CPU: 1.4V, RAM: 1.65V

There's inconsistencies in the other benches too, like GIMP
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Did I have a second source? Yes. Some guy on the Total War Center tech support forums who tested when he upgraded to an i5-3570k. Did I save the link? No.

Then there's RDR-09's CPU benchmark above, which is roughly in line with the Phenom in the Bit Tech benchmark. The bit tech reviewers agreed that there must have been some magic ivy bridge feature - specifically they guessed an otherwise minor change in the CPU's instruction set.

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Intel Core i7-3770K (4.8GHz) beating Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition (4.7GHz) doesn't make sense to me unless it's something to do with different memory setups

You should expect the i7-3770k to beat the i7-3960x on a regular basis in gaming benchmarks. Not by as much as the Shogun benchmark, but by a small amount. Gaming doesn't used the extra cores/threads of the i7-3960x & ivy bridge has better per-core performance than sandy bridge.

So given roughly the same speeds the i7-3770k SHOULD beat the i7-3960x in most any application that uses four or less threads.
    
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Those bit-tech benches seem odd to me... do you have a second source? Unless Ivy Bridge has some magic feature that Total War uses well... but then it is faster clock for clock

Intel Core i7-3770K (4.8GHz) beating Intel Core i7-3960X Extreme Edition (4.7GHz) doesn't make sense to me unless it's something to do with different memory setups
There's inconsistencies in the other benches too, like GIMP

i may have to agree with you here. here is my i7 at 5GHz.



again hit fraps in the last run midway and got a higher score. this is with no tweaking the aa and af.
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So I have to play total war series to notice worthwhile performance increase? That doesn't sound worthwhile at all frown.gif
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Well... no. Generally speaking the upgrade from sandy bridge to ivy bridge is minor and not recommended. This should be obvious. It'll be the same with Haswell for gamers.
    
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Oh good ... and why these forums report incorrect clock speeds on overclocks in sigs? I put in multi of 47 and comes up 5ghz. If you get 6300 watch out for this op, this forum broken or incompetent.
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alright you got me good with that one. MisterFred.
The Shogun 2 benchmarks perform like you said.

noobs will usually bite such reviews. here is my sb at 5GHz ht off (basically an i5).



ocn for you. it calls out review sites.
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Yeah, I wasn't sure what cherry picking meant until I saw this thread.
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