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Or you could just stick with the rock solid Windows 7 and be happy with it like you are and leave the people that want to try something new (and like it) alone.

Really. Nobody said you have to buy it.

See below, or above if you want to read the original.
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We'll have another coffee klatch when Dx12 is W8+ only. Or similar exclusives. I'm just throwing some suggestions out there.

But that's not what you guys are all on about. Yes, if they announce that there will be some super amazing exclusive to W8 then yes, your life sucks. They haven't done that though, and you lot are still complaining about "having" to buy Windows 8 and not having an interface that's been the same for however many years it's been.
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If you think anyone should have to install a 3rd party app to restore the basic functionality that an OS once provided, that no one but Ballmer asked to be removed from Windows, then you're a very special person. Bending over and accepting the crap that is shoved up your rear end with a wink and a smile, because you can always take it out yourself later after all...you're a bigger man than I, my friend.

Let me get this straight, are you not installing third party applications anyway? Oh I don't know, maybe that Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware software that you love so dearly, or maybe the odd codec pack or two and Flash or Java.

What I'm saying is, your argument is invalid.
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Let me get this straight, are you not installing third party applications anyway? Oh I don't know, maybe that Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware software that you love so dearly, or maybe the odd codec pack or two and Flash or Java.

What I'm saying is, your argument is invalid.

Irrelevant. 3rd party applications like that weren't in Windows to begin with and subsequently removed.
    
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I still didn't get what is the problem with win8. With win8 (been using it since day) I still can and do all the same things that I used to do in win7, the only thing is that now I do things faster, better and I have more options. In reality it is just win7 with a better and full screen start menu. Full screen start menu! Want to open a program fast? Just click on it, its right there on your start menu, or you can open it from your desktop which is NOT your start menu, got it? Your welcome!
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There is far more to it than that.

Effectively having two UIs, neither of which is fully functional by itself, is silly.

this 100%

I will stick with 7 until they como to their sense
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Irrelevant. 3rd party applications like that weren't in Windows to begin with and subsequently removed.

Who cares? You're installing third party stuff anyway, it's not gonna kill you to spend 10 seconds more on installing the start menu.
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Who cares? You're installing third party stuff anyway, it's not gonna kill you to spend 10 seconds more on installing the start menu.

It's the principle of the matter. I never said it's difficult, I'm just saying it's unnecessary when it was a standard feature of every previous version of Windows.
    
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It's the principle of the matter. I never said it's difficult, I'm just saying it's unnecessary when it was a standard feature of every previous version of Windows.

Personally I just think people don't like change. I'm happy we're moving from an 18 year old UI.
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Who cares? You're installing third party stuff anyway, it's not gonna kill you to spend 10 seconds more on installing the start menu.

IT's more the poin that 1. ClassicShell isn't that great and Start8 costs money.

I don't.. no, I shouldn't need to pay money to get something back that should never have been removed in the first place.


And good for you for being happy about moving away from the 18 year old UI paradigm (because lets face it, the Windows 7 UI is actually only 4 years old, Vista was similar, but different). However, Windows 8,isn't for me and the UI is horrible, in my opinion. I should have the choice in the software I'm paying money for, to use the Windows 7 interface if I so choose, which includes the start menu.
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Having the same OS across platforms is a plus, I'm not even going to argue that one. It's nice having the same functionality and interface throughout.

However, I think the point many users are trying to make is that developers should have never needed to make small software applications like Start8 and the plethora of other apps that allow a start menu and a boot to desktop function. It should have merely been an option within the OS to have whichever function the user wanted. That's all.[/quote]

Exactly. I get that some people don't mind the Metro shell. What's astounding to me is that the Metro defenders cannot acknowledge that 90% of the world is unhappy about being being shoehorned into Windows with no option to turn it off. For people who will never, ever buy a Surface, the "unified OS" argument is a non-starter; we are desktop only, and prefer the shell that was designed for desktops.
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I wish all the win8 defenders would stop using the start8 argument.

Hear hear. They refuse to understand the problem.

One of the areas I run at work is the software development team. I have made it well known that I will not tolerate the "it's not a big deal for the user to do " argument...if you have to say "it's not a big deal", then it *IS* a big deal. The very fact that the statement had to be made implies that there is a BETTER way to do it, but we didn't bother to implement it because, you know, it's not a big deal.

That's the whole Start8 argument. It's "not a big deal" to install Start8. You know what would have been even less of a big deal? Not breaking Windows in the first place.
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Let me get this straight, are you not installing third party applications anyway? Oh I don't know, maybe that Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware software that you love so dearly, or maybe the odd codec pack or two and Flash or Java.

What I'm saying is, your argument is invalid.

Hardly. As was pointed out already, your examples are all add-ons that have never been part of the Windows OS product.

Here's a better example: Microsoft ripped out Program Manager of Windows 3.x and replaced it with Windows Explorer in Win95. Exact parallel...something that was part of Windows OS was removed and replaced with what Microsoft thought was a better alternative. The difference is that, in that case, they were RIGHT. In this case, I don't care how loud the Metro defenders shout in this thread, sales data and survey statistics show that this time Microsoft was WRONG.
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Personally I just think people don't like change. I'm happy we're moving from an 18 year old UI.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against change in general. As I said before, I'm not even against the Metro tile interface...as long as it is not *required*. But this particular change was made for business motives (to go "all in" on touch to try and compete with Apple), and the result was not well thought out and has not been well received. The MS apologists shouting "it's not a big deal" will not change the hard data. Win8 is flopping, and Surface is flopping. I don't have to argue this point, facts do it for me.
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