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wonder what they will charge to upgrade from 8 to this.

also I wonder if stardock's applications are compatible with this.

Start8 1.14 Beta Available for Download
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· Updates for Windows "Blue" compatibility testing
· Optimizations to icon loading code and frequently used apps list

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Start8-1-14-Beta-Available-for-Download-341469.shtml
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haters gona hate. I use and love win 8
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Start8 1.14 Beta Available for Download

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Start8-1-14-Beta-Available-for-Download-341469.shtml

 

I've bought that app when it first released. This is the only thing to keep Windows 8 running. Otherwise, I really hate the Metro UI (counter-productivity).

 
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Dramatic much?

My four year old nephew learned how to use it after I showed it to him one time. He's always going into the store and downloading games which thankfully is safe for him to do since the store/metro is a controlled environment.

For the majority of end users in the "corporate world" it amounts to a slightly different way to open word/excel/internet explorer/outlook/other generic office software.

Furthermore, anyone even the slightest bit familiar with "the corporate world" knows that "the corporate world" has never in recent history automatically jumped on a new version of Windows, not even months or multiple years after its release and for obvious reasons.

MS are providing official support for Windows 7 until 2020 and if it comes to light that "the corporate world" requires something closer to Windows 7 in almost a decades time, they will simply provide it. Simple as.

They are more than happy for people to continue rolling out their business platforms on their most stable and refined version of Windows while XP slowwwwwwly phases out.

In the mean time, yes, they are taking it to the media/home user market with Windows 8 and they have a loooong time before "the corporate world" start clamouring for a new version of WIndows.

Businesses don't buy new stuff "just because". General end consumers do. Therefore, tablets and Windows 8.

Even though I work in computer security and have a pretty good grasp of computers, how they work, and can even learn new things, HATED when they went to Windows 7/Vista because of the interface changes. Why did I willingly switch? Because I could still get back to what I wanted, how I wanted it (even if it did take me about a week of toying with it to get it there) and because it was legitimately a better OS. Windows 8 does have some things that are nice, and an improvement behind the veil of the UI. The issue is that I cannot quite get windows 8 to act like I want it to.

It was the same story with going from windows NT to XP... the performance gains and new features ended up outweighing my distaste for how they moved stuff around, but in the end everything I wanted was still there. Every time I log in a new computer at work (because I have to move around a bunch) it takes me about 1 hour to get everything set up because of these annoyances... So then what is the problem with Windows 8? I cannot get it back to the way I want it... without going and downloading 3rd party software, most of which costs money. Guess what wouldn't be allowed at my office? Installing 3rd party software that isn't approved. So alas, if we ever did switch (and God help us if we do) I will actually be stuck without windows looking like I want it to.

And about the learning curve issues... do you know how many people in my office alone (again, I actually work in IT... so we have quite a few smart cookies around the office) had trouble getting the newest version of office working like it should. Outlook, Word, and Excel ALL moved simple settings that are not just things "I like" but are actually REQUIRED settings to make those products function how we need them to where moved and hidden away in very dark crevices in the application. We all had to practically teach each other how to function again with simple software that we use everyday... never mind trying to relearn an Operating system from the ground up.

Helpdesk and tech support isn't cheap, and pile on new applications that are forced on us because they end their support for a product and it is not a happy experience. Congrats that your nephew could figure out windows 8... basic functionality is in fact easy to pick up... it is the deeper aspects of the OS that power users need to function that is the complicated aspect of the OS. When your nephew starts trying to analyse system security and configure global network connectivity have them hit me up. (simple clicking on huge tiles and navigating to a giant button that says "marketplace" does not make someone an "expert" at windows 8, nor does it constitute someone being able to "adjust to a learning curve".)
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Congrats that your nephew could figure out windows 8... basic functionality is in fact easy to pick up... it is the deeper aspects of the OS that power users need to function that is the complicated aspect of the OS. When your nephew starts trying to analyse system security and configure global network connectivity have them hit me up. (simple clicking on huge tiles and navigating to a giant button that says "marketplace" does not make someone an "expert" at windows 8, nor does it constitute someone being able to "adjust to a learning curve".)

And my whole point (apart from pointing out that businesses are always slow with OS adoption) was that the vast majority of people who use computers never get past needing to use anything further than basic functionality, even (or especially) in buildings with large amounts of computers.

File exploring is the same. Internet browsing is the same. The whole desktop is the same. The only thing that changed (during common use scenarios) is how they launch programs and unless they use 100 different programs/day (in reality its probably no more than three) even pinning to taskbar or using desktop shortcuts would mitigate that change completely.

If what people generally used Windows for was to mess about with workings of Windows, as opposed to simply using Windows to launch the productivity programs they use, I'd agree that you have a point here.

But that isn't the case.

My point that the majority of people who use Windows PCs specialise in the software they use on Windows, not Windows itself, still stands.

Unless launching their programs (aka "simple clicking on huge tiles" which as you point out, doesn't take an expert to do) is too much for them, in which case they are most likely vegetables and not actually employees.
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And my whole point (apart from pointing out that businesses are always slow with OS adoption) was that the vast majority of people who use computers never get past needing to use anything further than basic functionality, even (or especially) in buildings with large amounts of computers.

File exploring is the same. Internet browsing is the same. The whole desktop is the same. The only thing that changed (during common use scenarios) is how they launch programs and unless they use 100 different programs/day (in reality its probably no more than three) even pinning to taskbar or using desktop shortcuts would mitigate that change completely.

If what people generally used Windows for was to mess about with workings of Windows, as opposed to simply using Windows to launch the productivity programs they use, I'd agree that you have a point here.

But that isn't the case.

My point that the majority of people who use Windows PCs specialise in the software they use on Windows, not Windows itself, still stands.

Unless launching their programs (aka "simple clicking on huge tiles" which as you point out, doesn't take an expert to do) is too much for them, in which case they are most likely vegetables and not actually employees.

You're using a 4 year old as an example, kids learn stuff much easier than Adults who already have expectations, habits, experience, etc that they will have to over-write. You're also showing your ignorance of how most people actually function, there were people who got stuck on the transition from XP to Vista for gods sake.
    
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Transition from XP to Vista/7 have a lot minor UI changes, but 8 is complete new UI that have nothing in common with old ones. Most users of previous versions will find it confusing. Kids learn it easyer because they had not used previous versions. 4 Year old probably never seen XP machine.
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Come on M$, I really don't want to be stuck on 7 forever. Give us an OS built for desktops already! I'd rather run off of an original XP install than bother with metro. I think I see penguins in my future.
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Transition from XP to Vista/7 have a lot minor UI changes, but 8 is complete new UI that have nothing in common with old ones. Most users of previous versions will find it confusing. Kids learn it easyer because they had not used previous versions. 4 Year old probably never seen XP machine.

Not just that, even if that 4 year old has used XP, 7, etc they'll grasp it easier...Kids are wired to learn as much as possible, adults aren't. It's the simple.
Saying Windows 8 is easy for everyone to learn because a 4 year old learnt it easily is like saying a CPU could render 3D models easily because a GPU can and they're both processors, sure, it could...It'll be a hell of a lot slower than the GPU though.
    
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When I was 4 years old I was using DOS like a pro.

Quickly, everyone go to DOS as it has no real major learning curve! Or maybe realize that kids can pick up this kind of stuff much easier than an adult.
Im sure DOS is easy....With a guidebook.
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