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I'll take credit for this shutdown argument biggrin.gif. Simply put - Microsoft added a step to the most common shutdown method. Fact...
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As far as shutting down goes, I added an option under my right click menu on main desktop for all possible shutdown/restart scenarios plus added one to the right click menu where the start button used to be. I can shutdown or restart in two clicks, just as before. Though I don't see this as something that would push me one way or another on deciding if I used an OS. It is getting a tad bit silly. Arguments from both sides are mostly non issues for me and many others. I admit I don't particularly like the new start screen, but I rarely used the old one so I guess I am biased in that respect. The only time I ever see the start screen is when I first start up my computer. Everything else I do is from the desktop in the form of desktop icons, right click menus or cascading toolbars.

I can see how someone that used the start menu extensively in previous versions of windows would not like the new one. Though, if that is the main or only problem, just use one of the several start menu alternatives out for 8, which from what I have heard, offer even more features than the normal pre-8 menu. This is a battle not worth engaging in imo, we are not going to change anyone's mind that is set on hating 8 no matter what. They will either conform or move on to another OS entirely. I don't see Microsoft reverting back now or in the future. Staying with 7 will only last so long, so they better prepare to do one or the other.
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Create a shortcut, name it "Shutdown"

Paste this in it's target location:
Code:
C:\Windows\System32\shutdown.exe /p

Place the shortcut where ever you please!

You're done.
 
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But the fact is you did! Read your post again. It's full of self-proclaimed superiority, as if the mouse is suddenly a second rate user interface compared to the keyboard. Ironic coming from people defending a touch centric OS.

Even your phrasing is biased. "steering the mouse around" ? Really ? You make it sound like mice come inside a maze you have to find your way out of. Please. People don't steer mice around to get to the Start menu.
Pedantic argument ? How about factual argument ? This isn't a matter of opinion, it's fact. If name calling is the way you find to make an argument, then I think we are done here.

LOL. You're so defensive. Maybe both of us are wrong? Nah...there has to be a right way and it has to be your way because anything that doesn't make sense to you couldn't possibly make sense to anyone else? Face it you have other ways of doing it in Windows and yet you complain about one method disappearing? Try out the other ways before you complain too much. If you're upset afterwards just remember...you're the minority of the consumer base and if you don't think the company is listening to you then you don't use their product or you make your own. Failure to do anything but complain gains you nothing.

PS: I'm not defending Windows as I'm pointing out how people really don't think anymore. One option goes missing...maybe they replaced it with a "better" one? Or maybe they are stupid? If the later then why are you paying them? Come on people.

People are not buying the OS, didn't you read the latest news ? Its adoption rate is slower than Vista's. You say you are not defending Windows (and indirectly the company that makes it) but your post as a whole speaks louder than that sentence. You're saying that complaining doesn't do anything ? So we should just use whatever they decide is best ? So making suggestions for improvements is not productive ? Pointing out flaws is not a good thing ? You're implying that everything Microsoft does is well done, as if they never screwed up. It's as if you're pretending you don't have an opinion when in fact you do have an opinion.

You say that once there were two options, one was removed, luckily the one they kept is the one you use, therefore you're right. rolleyes.gif
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And then Window users still bash Apple's OS LOL so funny. What Window users complain about Apple is what makes Apple so great. Apple can't afford to make a "Mac Blue" because unlike Microsoft they actually care about their reputation.
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People are not buying the OS, didn't you read the latest news ? Its adoption rate is slower than Vista's. You say you are not defending Windows (and indirectly the company that makes it) but your post as a whole speaks louder than that sentence. You're saying that complaining doesn't do anything ? So we should just use whatever they decide is best ? So making suggestions for improvements is not productive ? Pointing out flaws is not a good thing ? You're implying that everything Microsoft does is well done, as if they never screwed up. It's as if you're pretending you don't have an opinion when in fact you do have an opinion.

You say that once there were two options, one was removed, luckily the one they kept is the one you use, therefore you're right. rolleyes.gif

ROFL. My opinion is in my sig. I think MS is doing what they think the market wants. So far the market has been slow on up take because of bad economy, Win7, and just not enough reason for anyone to get a new computer unless they trashed it or some other way need a new one. The average consumer doesn't care about these things you're arguing about. They'll either accept it or not buy it. You're suggestions aren't really going to change MS. You moving to another OS will. You really must be like a cornered person or something to lash out when your logic has been trampled.

I never said I'm right. I said there were multiple options and that them removing one MAY be an improvement or may not for some people. But if it really mattered they'd make that clear by moving to another OS or making a competitor. Don't read things that aren't there.

So again. If you're not happy with what they're doing then you either find a competitor or you support/make a new competitor.
     
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Golden rule of UI design: the less you have to do to accomplish a task, the better the UI is.

Hating windows 8 isn't about some single thing, it's the entire design philosophy behind the thing, small things that add up. At the end of the day I doubt anyone would deny that the OS would be faster to use if it was made with KB/mouse in mind instead of touch.

Why is it so hard for MS to cater to different control methods with different UIs? Oh wait, that's right, Ballmer is obsessed with Apple's success and wants the walled garden design instead of doing what his company does best. He's literally doing the worst thing you can do, going into a new, super competitice market with a compromise product and alienating the old market with the same product at the same time. What a great idea.
 
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Thread cleaned and re-opened.

Guys, please stay on topic, and refrain from 'getting personal' or otherwise denigrating others for their opinions.

Thanks!
    
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Why is it so hard for MS to cater to different control methods with different UIs? Oh wait, that's right, Ballmer is obsessed with Apple's success and wants the walled garden design instead of doing what his company does best. He's literally doing the worst thing you can do, going into a new, super competitice market with a compromise product and alienating the old market with the same product at the same time. What a great idea.

except they're not even doing a good job of emulating apple. osx=adopt features that make sense for a x86 os from mobile and allow them as an option in instances where the make sense. windows 8=smoosh the two together and force you to use your os like a tablet os, to some degree.

classic example, the different implementations of fullscreen mode: windows 8 forces you boot into fullscreen, then switch to windowed (classic) mode. on the other hand, osx added fullscreen mode as an option for when you want all the vertical space you can get (or less background visual "noise".) i will probably get windows 8 anyway, since the boottimes for 7 are painful compared to osx, but i still hate their new ui philosophy
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I still can't stomach the "start screen" UI. It's a step backwards in every way.
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