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I'm a newbie, and it's my first time overclocking, but I think it's just fun to see your clock speed goes higher than standard... and it's kind of interesting and challenging to push your hardware to the limit (well, maybe I haven't reached my hardware's limit, but you get my point) biggrin.gif

to me it's almost like playing a game... tongue.gif
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So is there an air cooler that can be better than water cooling?

Short answer: NO.

Water has much better thermal properties than air. Any decent watercooled loop will be way ahead of even the best aircooler
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Not reads through this whole thread but to the OPs question, I think it is a choice based on an individual desire rather than any true need. I hear an interview not all that long ago with a professional overclocker, you know the guys that use liquid nitrogen and go nuts. In the interview he stated that overclocking for most people produced results in benchmarks but for most in real world experience the gain was not worth the effort. He even went so far as to say that for CPU's in general anything after 4.0 Ghz had a diminishing return with nothing really worth gaining by going higher.

He did however explain that overclocking can be a huge deal in the professional world. He pointed out that for people that do massive rendering jobs for a living, even gains as little as 10% can have meaning. Think about it, when you are doing a rendering job that takes 48 hours and you can cut then by almost 5 hours, that is a fairly large increase in productivity.

My own personal experience over the years has bore this out as well. I give my CPU a small bump because I can but not because I need to. However even the bump I give is more of a free boost than an overclock by most of todays standards. I only go as far as I can without ever needing to tweak a voltage. This means in CPUs and GPUs I can get a little extra free performance and often with little to no effort.

As for RAM, over the years I have found RAM overclocking might look great in a benchmark but in any kind of real use it goes unnoticed so I stopped wasting my time.

As for liquid vs air, it all depends on the level of overclock. The simple truth is that any decent case with stock cooling can get a small overclock out it and even cheap 3rd party coolers can increase that by a pretty good margin. In fact I sometimes thing we get to wrapped up in cooling, worrying about every little degree of C we can get.

My rule of thumb is buy that cooler that gives you the features you want. For example, I chose an AIO unit for my Node build. The reason was not so much the cooling, a stock cooler allowed my CPU to run with it's overclock for multi hour gaming sessions and no throttling. The reason for me was two fold. First the fact it gets the heat out of the case. An air cooling system puts the CPU heat into the case and then the case must pull it out. With my smaller ITX build I wanted the heat out as quick as I could get it out so the AIO made the most sense.

Now many tower coolers with the orientation done correctly can come close to doing the same thing and this brings me to reason 2, easy to work with. Larger tower coolers are a pain in the butt. They often block RAM slots and make it hard to work in the system once they are installed. An AIO system is much easier to work with if you need to get in the case.

As for custom liquid rigs, if you have the desire to the maximum overclock and want to spend the time and money then they are awesome but for the majority of us they are a massive overkill with no real benefit.
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Short answer: NO.

Water has much better thermal properties than air. Any decent watercooled loop will be way ahead of even the best aircooler

The dark night 2 was actually benched and found to do better than some/one of the all in one water cooling units by a few degrees. Though as far as I know no air cooler can touch a custom loop.
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So is there an air cooler that can be better than water cooling?

When it comes to high overclocks and actual water cooling loops.... no.

But that being said, water can't touch phase, and phase can't touch LN2. Albeit LN2 isn't meant for extended usage.
 
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1 i water cool because it is a FUN HOBBY ( trust me getting out of AIO units really is a hobby, you have ascetics and many other things you can do with them)
2 i OC becauseit is a FUN HOBBY
~i do it because i can. it makes me different and it is an interest of mine.

i buy high end stuff because i want to. not that i need to ( not going into argument about amd vs intel here, i made my choice and love it you can make yours )

i can afford it.

you dont have to oc, but you can

if YOU think water cooling is useless. then it is for you. however not everyone thinks that. if we did we would all drive the only model of car around live in the same house and have the same job. the worlds beauty is made of its differences.

water cooling is GENERALLY much quieter which is what draws alot of people. it is also MUCH more EFFICIENT interns of removing heat.

my wife buys 5k+ purses... is that a waste of money. heck no! it is what she likes and that is fine by me.

does ocing increase performance. it can it can also degrade performance.

even getting max performance out of something @ currant gen stuff does not mean i dont want to to be faster.

as for #3 sometimes but imo no. you can never make up for less cores. you can make it perform similar. but never the same assuming properly coded programs....

now i ask you why did you go to OVERCLOCK.net and say overclocking is a waste? obviously we dont think so and there are much more tactful methods of asking these same questions
OK you buy what ever you want for what ever the cost is. That's fine., no body will want to go for the worse if they can afford the best- this means anyone like the best PC.

You have got the money to spend on the PC, and regarding how rich I think you are you will buy the best PC or build the best rig. That's fine, I want to ask you why would you still look for more performance if you are already using the latest and fastest rig, the rig that will run any game, anything at ultra high spec through out., without even a bit of lag?
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OK you buy what ever you want for what ever the cost is. That's fine., no body will want to go for the worse if they can afford the best- this means anyone like the best PC.

You have got the money to spend on the PC, and regarding how rich I think you are you will buy the best PC or build the best rig. That's fine, I want to ask you why would you still look for more performance if you are already using the latest and fastest rig, the rig that will run any game, anything at ultra high spec through out., without even a bit of lag?

In the end the same reason people climb mountains. It is pure choice, for some it is the thrill of seeing how far they can push, for some it is showing off their epeen. Whatever the excuse it becomes one of pure choice with or real practical excuse. But that is okay, I mean we game for pure choice.

Overclocking for most is not, no matter what they say, at the end of the day about performance. They do not do it to get a better game experience, because the truth is they seldom, if ever do. To try and find a performance argument among gamers for advanced overclocking is a waste. Oh sure some will use that argument but in the end they are lying to themselves.

Let me use myself as a solid example. My current system of choice, the Node in my sig area. The CPU in it is an i5 3550 and the GPU is an SAPPHIRE HD 7950. When I first built the system I did everything at stock speeds. You know what, ALL my games, from Skyrim to Crysis with Witcher, Civ V and numerous others played perfect at 1080 with maxed out details, ALL OF THEM. Yet once I knew the system was stable and solid my next step was a quick overclock of the CPU to 3.9GHz and overclocking the GPU to 1200 with some boosting on the GPU memory as well. Now with those steps in place my games did not play any better or any smoother. Oh sure my benchmarks looked better but I use those for my own edification, I do not spend much time comparing benchmarks.

Now if I gained nothing then why do it? Well I am an old school PC Builder, I recall the days when overclocking actually made a day to day difference. and I am in the habit of doing it today for that reason. We did not, as a community spend as much time as so many do today comparing our benchmark scores, we instead passed along little tips to allow us to not pay an arm and a leg but still enjoy PC gaming. Today, many "enthusiast" forums feel more like a men's room with a bunch of teenagers dropping their pants to compare penis sizes. Back in the day we did not worry about that stuff, instead our forums were about the latest games and helping our buddies find a trick or tweak to get it to play smooth.

However I have gotten off track. In todays overclockers you will not find a set reason to do it, there is no gain from it, at least not enough to justify the cost and effort and especially not when even low cost stock parts give a great experience. It's not about value as you will see most "overclockers" are using premium parts to begin with, not taking a low cost part and giving it a bump. So do not seek the reasons. If you want to overclock them more power to you, enjoy. If you think overclocking is a waste, then more power to you enjoy. If someone tries to tell you that you have to overclock to be a real geek or real enthusiast, just tell them to put it back in their pants and look for dates elsewhere wink.gif
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Not reads through this whole thread but to the OPs question, I think it is a choice based on an individual desire rather than any true need. I hear an interview not all that long ago with a professional overclocker, you know the guys that use liquid nitrogen and go nuts. In the interview he stated that overclocking for most people produced results in benchmarks but for most in real world experience the gain was not worth the effort. He even went so far as to say that for CPU's in general anything after 4.0 Ghz had a diminishing return with nothing really worth gaining by going higher.

He did however explain that overclocking can be a huge deal in the professional world. He pointed out that for people that do massive rendering jobs for a living, even gains as little as 10% can have meaning. Think about it, when you are doing a rendering job that takes 48 hours and you can cut then by almost 5 hours, that is a fairly large increase in productivity.

My own personal experience over the years has bore this out as well. I give my CPU a small bump because I can but not because I need to. However even the bump I give is more of a free boost than an overclock by most of todays standards. I only go as far as I can without ever needing to tweak a voltage. This means in CPUs and GPUs I can get a little extra free performance and often with little to no effort.

As for RAM, over the years I have found RAM overclocking might look great in a benchmark but in any kind of real use it goes unnoticed so I stopped wasting my time.

As for liquid vs air, it all depends on the level of overclock. The simple truth is that any decent case with stock cooling can get a small overclock out it and even cheap 3rd party coolers can increase that by a pretty good margin. In fact I sometimes thing we get to wrapped up in cooling, worrying about every little degree of C we can get.

My rule of thumb is buy that cooler that gives you the features you want. For example, I chose an AIO unit for my Node build. The reason was not so much the cooling, a stock cooler allowed my CPU to run with it's overclock for multi hour gaming sessions and no throttling. The reason for me was two fold. First the fact it gets the heat out of the case. An air cooling system puts the CPU heat into the case and then the case must pull it out. With my smaller ITX build I wanted the heat out as quick as I could get it out so the AIO made the most sense.

Now many tower coolers with the orientation done correctly can come close to doing the same thing and this brings me to reason 2, easy to work with. Larger tower coolers are a pain in the butt. They often block RAM slots and make it hard to work in the system once they are installed. An AIO system is much easier to work with if you need to get in the case.

As for custom liquid rigs, if you have the desire to the maximum overclock and want to spend the time and money then they are awesome but for the majority of us they are a massive overkill with no real benefit.


Not sure i'd call the silence of watercooling "No real benefit"
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Not reads through this whole thread but to the OPs question, I think it is a choice based on an individual desire rather than any true need. I hear an interview not all that long ago with a professional overclocker, you know the guys that use liquid nitrogen and go nuts. In the interview he stated that overclocking for most people produced results in benchmarks but for most in real world experience the gain was not worth the effort. He even went so far as to say that for CPU's in general anything after 4.0 Ghz had a diminishing return with nothing really worth gaining by going higher.

He did however explain that overclocking can be a huge deal in the professional world. He pointed out that for people that do massive rendering jobs for a living, even gains as little as 10% can have meaning. Think about it, when you are doing a rendering job that takes 48 hours and you can cut then by almost 5 hours, that is a fairly large increase in productivity.

My own personal experience over the years has bore this out as well. I give my CPU a small bump because I can but not because I need to. However even the bump I give is more of a free boost than an overclock by most of todays standards. I only go as far as I can without ever needing to tweak a voltage. This means in CPUs and GPUs I can get a little extra free performance and often with little to no effort.
I think that is why single cores did not carry on from 2 GHz, 3, 4 GHz to 5, then 6, then 7 then, 8 etc. Instead they cut it, and begun again, with quad cores with each single core below 4GHz, unless you overclock it. Then there came 6 cores, and eight cores- with each single core below 4 GHz. Just what I think!

But I like this one [quote name="Mopar63" url="/t/1374671/ ''As for custom liquid rigs, if you have the desire to the maximum overclock and want to spend the time and money then they are awesome but for the majority of us they are a massive overkill with no real benefit.''[/quote]

Manufactures will never make a CPU on a motherboard, in a pc case that will get hot and hotter and bust the whole PC. What I mean here is that, any PC directly from the manufacture( Apple, Samsung etc) that is at stock settings is fine for what ever you will do with the PC, through software part, not hardware. If that is the case, then why water cooling as an alternative option? Water cooling because you want to get the max clock as you can!

Manufatures knew we will overclcok our CPUs and GPUs that is why they are making water coolers for us. They don't want to be disappointed if your PC breaks, when overclocking. Then there wouldn't be no overclocking if your PC will really break if you do so.

You overclock and buy proper coolers because you want the heat out of the case! I find that expensive if the overclocking I am buying a cooler for, isn't going to improve my PC any good. Except if I am very rich. I find overclocking to be fun! and people who are ready to have fun are those who will say my PC is clocked to 4.2GHZ, better than yours. But we are both running 8 cores aren't we? Yes we are.thumb.gif
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Here comes what I have been waiting for... water cool is just for beauty... air cooling does just fine, so why water cooling?

Multiply reasons even if you dont really do it for max overclocking -

Silence -

Zero fan noise
Less dust build up

Temps -

When i had my 670 ftw's in SLI air cooled i was hitting the 70 degree throttling threshold all the time unless i cranked the fan speed up which is annoying.Even if you use headphones and cant hear the fans spinning you still know your comp will sound like a leaf blower.

After putting my 670 ftw's under water i never see anything past 45 degrees under max load in any game so you do the math.
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