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I am beyond frustrated and am desperate for some help! I bought an HD 6850 a while back to try and get a decent gaming experience while playing SC 2. However, after installing the card I found I had to run the game on the lowest resolution and lowest graphics settings just to get about 20-30 FPS, and once there are a decent amount of units on the map my FPS would be in single digits. Frustrated with the lag I decided to get an HD 7850 since I read good things about the card. It's definitely been an improvement, but I'm still getting debilitating lag. For 4v4 games on high/medium settings I get about 50 FPS, but as soon as there are a decent amount of units on the map I go to single digit FPS. For 3v3 and less, I get around 80-90FPS on high/medium, but again as soon as there is lot of units on the map my FPS go to single digits. It makes no difference if I change my game settings to the lowest, as soon as there are a few units in the game my FPS instantly drop to single digits and I lag terribly. Also, with the 7850 I've been noticing my FPS jump around a lot in game and cause a decent amount of lag. For example, I'll be running just fine at 70-80 FPS and out of nowhere it will drop to 10-20FPS for about 10-15 seconds and then jump back up. Also, when watching any game replays my FPS are 0 and it's like watching a powerpoint presentation!

I'm frustrated with the lag because along with it hindering my game play, my friend who I game with has an older GPU and is getting much better performance than me, so I know there has to be something going on. I decided to do some benchmark tests on my machine today to try and get some data and I was shocked to see that I may have some issues with my CPU as well! When compared to a core 2 duo my CPU barely performs better, and performs worse than an AMD 955. I thought this CPU and GPU would perform much better! Something has to be going on but I don't know where else to check. My build specs and benchmarks are below, can someone please offer some advice???

Build (all stock, no OC anywhere)
HD: Seagate Barracuda ST3250312AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-880GA-UD3H
RAM: 1 x G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
GPU: XFX Pro Edition 1GB HD 7850
GPU Driver: 9.2
Windows 7 64bit

PassMark Score: http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V8/display.php?id=664...
http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/wildcatdd/media/CPU.p...
http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/wildcatdd/media/GPU2d...
http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/wildcatdd/media/GPU3d...

Note: When comparing my results to others with same CPU and GPU my score is in dead last, by a lot! Something I noticed that is different from my build to the top 5 is they have either a 990 or 970 mobo chipset and a SSD. I'm thinking maybe there's a problem with my mobo or chipset, but there are people with older chipsets than mine that still bench higher than me!

3DMark results: http://s1228.photobucket.com/user/wildcatdd/media/3dmar...

Note: my 2d results are really low, what's going on here?
post #2 of 50
7850 isn't that much of a big performer until you OC it. I just sold my 965 and it can hold it's own just fine, just put it up to 3.9-4.0ghz. I used it with my 7950 and man, I was surprised at how well it held up.

That said, is your 965 OC'd at all?
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Originally Posted by SpykeZ View Post

7850 isn't that much of a big performer until you OC it. I just sold my 965 and it can hold it's own just fine, just put it up to 3.9-4.0ghz. I used it with my 7950 and man, I was surprised at how well it held up.

I'm planning on OCing now, but I thought I should still have better performance with this setup before OCing, right?
post #4 of 50
For StarCraft 2, you need a fast CPU. Overclocking your 965 to 3.8+ will help. thumb.gif
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I'm planning on OCing now, but I thought I should still have better performance with this setup before OCing, right?

It's a dated CPU, it's stock clocks are aging. Anything above 3.8 will open up a new world to it. 4.0GHz was like a whole new cpu for me. SC2 is a hungry cpu game
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I didn't realize CPU was so important for SC2. I'm running the stock cooler now so I'll have to get a new cooler before I OC. I just thought without OCing I should still be getting better performance out of a quad core processor, especially since I'm just playing SC2 and not something like Skyrim.
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I didn't realize CPU was so important for SC2. I'm running the stock cooler now so I'll have to get a new cooler before I OC. I just thought without OCing I should still be getting better performance out of a quad core processor, especially since I'm just playing SC2 and not something like Skyrim.

RTS games are generally very cpu dependent. A game like Skyrim is more GPU. You can get a few notches up on the stock cooler. How much would you want to pay for a new cooler, we can throw some ideas out to you.
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post #8 of 50
My 965BE is currently running at 3360MHz (280 FSB x 12 CPU Multi,) and with my 4890 GPU (check sig rig) runs SC2 with everything Maxed out,no probs whatsoever. My guess is that the CPU is throttling,what are the temps you are getting? Did you change thermal paste? Is your case clean?
   
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post #9 of 50
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Originally Posted by SpykeZ View Post

RTS games are generally very cpu dependent. A game like Skyrim is more GPU. You can get a few notches up on the stock cooler. How much would you want to pay for a new cooler, we can throw some ideas out to you.

Probably around $50 would be my budget for a new cooler. Thanks a lot for all the advice, this has been really frustrating for me, and I think the worse part about it is reading how my GPU and CPU should be benching and how under-performed mine really is.
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Originally Posted by Grmadness View Post

My 965BE is currently running at 3360MHz (280 FSB x 12 CPU Multi,) and with my 4890 GPU (check sig rig) runs SC2 with everything Maxed out,no probs whatsoever. My guess is that the CPU is throttling,what are the temps you are getting? Did you change thermal paste? Is your case clean?

This right here is what is making me think there is something else going on. I honestly don't know what my temps are. I've got 5 fans in the case, but it is spotless (I'm OCD about keeping it clean). I didn't change the paste from the stock cooler once I installed it. What's a good program to see what my temps are? Also, what mobo chipset are you running?
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