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Yeah, sorry. Already don't care about these scum of the earth ad companies and this doesn't surprise me. Places like youtube, twitch.tv and such usually get 1 year agreements with CPM shares based on how popular the site is and such. Well, since this January the ad companies decided they weren't going to come to an agreement this year and are instead pocketing the money and giving sites like twitch and youtube bare minimum. Thus the content creators are the ones that get shafted with next to nothing in CPM.

A few things need to happen before I even think about disabling adblock. One is ads cannot track or store any information on my computer. Second is flash ads are abolished, or flash is all together. Either works. Third is that these ad companies cannot do what I stated before and shaft content creators.

I don't use adblock to put harm on any sites revenue, or content creators jobs. I do it to protect my computer. Its just sad that ill companies force people to do this and wonder why there is less CPM.

And yes, I 100% support mozilla even if I don't use it currently. Even though I have my own bad opinions on chrome, I just feel like its app selection is beyond firefox's at this point.
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Haha, this is funny. So I've been busy building a business and data model that combines ad-tracking data into user profiles for more accurate targeting and marketing messaging. The pros in this space don't care whatsoever about the third party cookie practice: there are a lot of ways around it. The goal of McDonald's putting an ad on TV is not to get you to lick your flat panel. Likewise, the goal of digital display is not to get you to click. And it works really, really well.
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Haha, this is funny. So I've been busy building a business and data model that combines ad-tracking data into user profiles for more accurate targeting and marketing messaging. The pros in this space don't care whatsoever about the third party cookie practice: there are a lot of ways around it. The goal of McDonald's putting an ad on TV is not to get you to lick your flat panel. Likewise, the goal of digital display is not to get you to click. And it works really, really well.
Thats actually a really really good point.
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Squirrels, igloos, boats, clouds, grass, the color red, ...

In short: everything. I would continue, but everything would take too long to list. Why don't you speed up the process and just tell us what does rather than asking what doesn't?
ABP enables you to have an ad-free internet. It doesn't entitle you to it. That's why "sense of entitlement" is the phrase commonly used. They're sensing entitlement that doesn't exist.

Precisely, it's the squirrels, igloos, boats, clouds, grass, the color red and everything else that entitles me. I could also go on but I'll keep this senseless answer your senseless reply short.

Here's what entitles us to a ad-free internet.

The internet is by default a public domain. In that public domain, I can choose what I want to see and what I don't.

A webmaster can put a lock on the website to force adblock off, or they can require an account... or any number of resolutions, if they choose to.

But if not, and by default, then I can enjoy their PUBLIC website how I see fit.

Note: This excludes criminal activity, which ad-blocking is not. Whether you think it is, or not.
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Here's what entitles us to a ad-free internet.

The internet is by default a public domain. In that public domain, I can choose what I want to see and what I don't.

A webmaster can put a lock on the website to force adblock off, or they can require an account... or any number of resolutions, if they choose to.

But if not, and by default, then I can enjoy their PUBLIC website how I see fit.

Note: This excludes criminal activity, which ad-blocking is not. Whether you think it is, or not.

Congrats bro, one day there will be no websites for you to enjoy, because you keep drowning out the source that allows them to operate financially.

Running a website isn't cheap, but you clearly fail to realize that.
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Here's what entitles us to a ad-free internet.

The internet is by default a public domain. In that public domain, I can choose what I want to see and what I don't.

A webmaster can put a lock on the website to force adblock off, or they can require an account... or any number of resolutions, if they choose to.

But if not, and by default, then I can enjoy their PUBLIC website how I see fit.

Note: This excludes criminal activity, which ad-blocking is not. Whether you think it is, or not.

Congrats bro, one day there will be no websites for you to enjoy, because you keep drowning out the source that allows them to operate financially.

Running a website isn't cheap, but you clearly fail to realize that.

Whether that is true is besides the point.

The fact is we are entitled to view the Internet how we please.

If a webmaster thinks that is a problem, they have many resolutions at hand to fix the issue.

Just a few: Block adblock users, display notices against it, require a subscription, ask for donations... etc... it goes on and on.

Blocking ads is not the downfall of the Internet.
The idea has been active for a very long time and the Internet is doing just fine.
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The fact is we are entitled to view the Internet how we please.

No we're not, we're entitled to do as the mega corporations tell us. We are entitled to think what they tell us, eat what they tell us, wear what they tell us and if you don't like it you're probably some anti-capitalist, commie scum who has been brainwashed into hating the internet where the only thing free is how many damned ads you get to see.

Seriously, some posters here... ridiculous (not you Kenny, I wholeheartedly agree with you).
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Congrats bro, one day there will be no websites for you to enjoy, because you keep drowning out the source that allows them to operate financially.

Running a website isn't cheap, but you clearly fail to realize that.
Sites have lots of ways to make money other than ads. Such as affiliates, thats a big one alone.

Like I said before, its not the users that are hurting the sites, its the ad companies. The ad companies will get the same money every year, and shaft the sites and creators.
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Sites have lots of ways to make money other than ads. Such as affiliates, thats a big one alone.

Like I said before, its not the users that are hurting the sites, its the ad companies. The ad companies will get the same money every year, and shaft the sites and creators.

http://arstechnica.com/business/2010/03/why-ad-blocking-is-devastating-to-the-sites-you-love/
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There is an oft-stated misconception that if a user never clicks on ads, then blocking them won't hurt a site financially. This is wrong. Most sites, at least sites the size of ours, are paid on a per view basis. If you have an ad blocker running, and you load 10 pages on the site, you consume resources from us (bandwidth being only one of them), but provide us with no revenue
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There is no such thing as a non-intrusive ad. Anything that distracts me from the content at hand is fundamentally intrusive.

If you can't pay for hosting without tricking people into clicking ads, a far more honest choice is to include a paypal donate button---if you still don't make enough to pay for hosting, you probably don't have very many people who want your site to say online.

And this is why I never turn off adblock plus, even for sites I trust. Haters gonna hate.
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