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I never said anything about not clicking.

What I'm saying is they adjust the revenue ratios to give them the same profit and screw over the sites. So lets say on a good year of ad revenue a site gets 35%. So the ratio of the money split is 35/65. On a bad year, the ratio will be something like 25/75.

Just pulling those numbers out of my head, but the example stands.
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I never said anything about not clicking.

What I'm saying is they adjust the revenue ratios to give them the same profit and screw over the sites. So lets say on a good year of ad revenue a site gets 35%. So the ratio of the money split is 35/65. On a bad year, the ratio will be something like 25/75.

Just pulling those numbers out of my head, but the example stands.

I was more referring to what you said before, that sites have a lot of ways to make money without ads, which is halfway true. They can bring a small amount of money with subscribing but the BIG majority of the revenue will come from ads. Now I don't know anything about how the amount is split and I truely don't care about ad companies themselves, but ads are necessary for almost all sites that offer you content and isn't some kind of store.

Also adblockers tend to hurt small sites a lot more than they hurt big ones and the corporate world. Most people running adblockers are somewhar tech-savy and visit the kind of site most of us love on OCN (tech and gaming site), the big popular sites aren't really threatened by that because their user-base don't know what is an adblocker/don't care to research what they are.

Like the article says, adblockers make people lose their jobsand the quality and amount of content to drop because of the lack of revenue.
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Haven't seen an ad in over 5 years now and don't plan to start now. Every single computer in my house has adblock on it and every computer I work on I install adblock on it. Not only does it help reduce page load times, reduce the amount of bandwidth used, block annoying full screen ads, but also stops potential malware or virus infected ads from finding their way onto my family's or clients computers.
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Originally Posted by Blooddrunk View Post

I never said anything about not clicking.

What I'm saying is they adjust the revenue ratios to give them the same profit and screw over the sites. So lets say on a good year of ad revenue a site gets 35%. So the ratio of the money split is 35/65. On a bad year, the ratio will be something like 25/75.

Just pulling those numbers out of my head, but the example stands.

I was more referring to what you said before, that sites have a lot of ways to make money without ads, which is halfway true. They can bring a small amount of money with subscribing but the BIG majority of the revenue will come from ads. Now I don't know anything about how the amount is split and I truely don't care about ad companies themselves, but ads are necessary for almost all sites that offer you content and isn't some kind of store.

Also adblockers tend to hurt small sites a lot more than they hurt big ones and the corporate world. Most people running adblockers are somewhar tech-savy and visit the kind of site most of us love on OCN (tech and gaming site), the big popular sites aren't really threatened by that because their user-base don't know what is an adblocker/don't care to research what they are.

Like the article says, adblockers make people lose their jobsand the quality and amount of content to drop because of the lack of revenue.

The quote from the article wasn't directed specifically at you, I just put it because I know most people don't click on articles anyway >_<</div>

It isn't our responsibility to pay for their web hosting.

They want to make the websites, so they can deal with the hosting payments. Not us.

Complain to the hosting sites if they can't afford them.

It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.
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It isn't our responsibility to pay for their web hosting.

They want to make the websites, so they can deal with the hosting payments. Not us.

Complain to the hosting sites if they can't afford them.

It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.

100% agree, if you are relying on ads to keep your site online, you are doing it wrong. I pay my bill for internet access, I shouldn't have to pay yours as well.
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It isn't our responsibility to pay for their web hosting.

They want to make the websites, so they can deal with the hosting payments. Not us.

Complain to the hosting sites if they can't afford them.

It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.

I guess they should pay their writers with thin air too. I'm sure you'd love to work for free and if you complained to your boss he'd just have to say that you should complain to your tenant that the rent is too high and it's not his problem.
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I was more referring to what you said before, that sites have a lot of ways to make money without ads, which is halfway true. They can bring a small amount of money with subscribing but the BIG majority of the revenue will come from ads. Now I don't know anything about how the amount is split and I truely don't care about ad companies themselves, but ads are necessary for almost all sites that offer you content and isn't some kind of store.

Also adblockers tend to hurt small sites a lot more than they hurt big ones and the corporate world. Most people running adblockers are somewhar tech-savy and visit the kind of site most of us love on OCN (tech and gaming site), the big popular sites aren't really threatened by that because their user-base don't know what is an adblocker/don't care to research what they are.

Like the article says, adblockers make people lose their jobsand the quality and amount of content to drop because of the lack of revenue.

The quote from the article wasn't directed specifically at you, I just put it because I know most people don't click on articles anyway >_<</div>
Well there is a 2nd half of my point that I only brought up once, is the smart sites will use other things for profit like affiliates and even donations if the site is really small and privately run. Exploiting other things like youtube even is pretty acceptable now days, thought to make money there you need to be pretty big.
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It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.

Would you be happier if they just included the tip in your total price instead? It would work out to be the same either way (except with less choice as to how much you leave).
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I guess they should pay their writers with thin air too. I'm sure you'd love to work for free and if you complained to your boss he'd just have to say that you should complain to your tenant that the rent is too high and it's not his problem.
I think they should pay their writers with a better business model. How is it the public's responsibility to ensure you make money? The more advertising is attempted to be forced on me, the more I will find a way to disable it. It's not a personal vendetta against website owners, it's more a matter of permission. I do not give permission to companies to force me to watch ads. It's that simple.
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What planet is this guy on? What did ad companies do before tracking cookies?

Guys like this are the scum of the earth.
No, you are unnecessary.

Not to mention most ad blockers don't come pre installed. People put them on by CHOICE! So we don't have to see the annoying "insert random flashy ad here" that shows.
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