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There is no such thing as a non-intrusive ad. Anything that distracts me from the content at hand is fundamentally intrusive.

If you can't pay for hosting without tricking people into clicking ads, a far more honest choice is to include a paypal donate button---if you still don't make enough to pay for hosting, you probably don't have very many people who want your site to say online.

And this is why I never turn off adblock plus, even for sites I trust. Haters gonna hate.

I guess you don't care for sites like Overclock.net staying up, glad to know.
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I think they should pay their writers with a better business model. How is it the public's responsibility to ensure you make money? The more advertising is attempted to be forced on me, the more I will find a way to disable it. It's not a personal vendetta against website owners, it's more a matter of permission. I do not give permission to companies to force me to watch ads. It's that simple.

There is no alternative business model, except subscriptions which almost no one pay for anyway. if sites really did try to be subscription based and not ad based you'd have to pay for each and every single site you visit instead of loading some small ads on the side that you mentally block anyway.
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It isn't our responsibility to pay for their web hosting.

They want to make the websites, so they can deal with the hosting payments. Not us.

Complain to the hosting sites if they can't afford them.

It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.

I guess they should pay their writers with thin air too. I'm sure you'd love to work for free and if you complained to your boss he'd just have to say that you should complain to your tenant that the rent is too high and it's not his problem.

I don't care what they pay their writers with. If they want to keep writers, I would suggest not using "thin air".

It is not my financial responsibility to fund their workers. They don't work for me. I make no profit from them.

Btw, I would not work for free. I don't think anyone would. So your point is moot.


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It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.

Would you be happier if they just included the tip in your total price instead? It would work out to be the same either way (except with less choice as to how much you leave).

They have no right to force me to pay their workers wages. They don't work for me.
The whole idea behind tips is to force people to pay their workers' wages through social indimidation.

The workers should get paid what they deserve by the company.
If I decide that they deserve even more pay (a tip) then I can do so. But is optional, and by not doing so I am not stripping them of their wages. The company is.

(This was my response when I thought you were talking about paying normal wages, and figuring the cost into the overall business price.)
Yes, I would. Everyone would.

The waiters would get paid a proper pay, so that they can actually live instead of relying on tips like you see the homeless on the street do.
I would see their price and decide whether I would eat their, just like before.

This is how normal businesses work.

Using a form of social intimidation to circumvent the federal law of minimum wage is repulsive and should be a federal crime.
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A tipped employee engages in an occupation in which he or she customarily and regularly receives more than $30 per month in tips. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 per hour in direct wages if that amount combined with the tips received at least equals the federal minimum wage. If the employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 per hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. Many states, however, require higher direct wage amounts for tipped employees.

At least at this restaurant they get paid minimum wage.
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There is no such thing as a non-intrusive ad. Anything that distracts me from the content at hand is fundamentally intrusive.

If you can't pay for hosting without tricking people into clicking ads, a far more honest choice is to include a paypal donate button---if you still don't make enough to pay for hosting, you probably don't have very many people who want your site to say online.

And this is why I never turn off adblock plus, even for sites I trust. Haters gonna hate.

I guess you don't care for sites like Overclock.net staying up, glad to know.

This is the 2nd strawman you have presented that I have seen.

You don't know whether he "cares" for Overclock or not.
Edited by kennyparker1337 - 3/26/13 at 8:26pm
post #124 of 173
If ad companies want us watching ads so much, why not give us free internet and force ads every so often for access. Since they feel like they should be able to control what we see online.

People saying websites pay for bandwidth and such, yea so? Thats a cost of their business, like how almost all business's haves costs associated with them... Common sense no? And what about consumers who have strict Data Caps? Are they supposed to pay to display these ads? People are driven to use ad blocking software because ad companies go too far. Simple as that.
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As long as Im paying for internet access I will control what I do and do not see. I dont want to be sold to at every turn and I dont care what site it is.
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Congrats bro, one day there will be no websites for you to enjoy, because you keep drowning out the source that allows them to operate financially.

Running a website isn't cheap, but you clearly fail to realize that.

Sorry but not all websites depend upon ads for income to stay active/online. Maybe for the larger ones but that's always a choice to be made by the site's owner.
If a site owner decides to make their site dependant upon advertising $$ to survive, that's their problem, not mine.

It's a fact that third party cookies can be used to track you wherever you go as in spyware/malware. Yes these report your browsing habits back to the advertisers so they can fling up even more advertising poo you "Might" be interested in. At least that's how they put it and I'd bet it way more intrusive than that.

Us interested in ads?
Talk about a load of s*** statement if there ever was one.

Yes I will dare ask - If ads were so great, why do people complain about them and use utilities to stop them/block them?

Sounds to me like you're one of the guys responsible for creating this poo from the ad-supportive response.
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I guess you don't care for sites like Overclock.net staying up, glad to know.

OCN already owns every single post on this site, the amount of IP they have is crazy. They also charge for overclocked accounts and vendors and such which make up for A LOT of their revenue over some change here and there from clicking on ad's.

You do realize in a forum such as this, we are working for OCN. They just provide a place for us to congregate and then they own everything we publish.

The point is people see that this site is worth investing in so they donate and business such as Lutro0 can be part of this site for an added fee. They also go off of how many unique hits a day that the site has.

Do not that some of this is re-hased on what other people have said, I'm just assuming you missed it or ignored it.
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They have no right to force me to pay their workers wages. They don't work for me.
The whole idea behind tips is to force people to pay their workers' wages through social indimidation.

The workers should get paid what they deserve by the company.
If I decide that they deserve even more pay (a tip) then I can do so. But is optional, and by not doing so I am not stripping them of their wages. The company is.

(This was my response when I thought you were talking about paying normal wages, and figuring the cost into the overall business price.)
Yes, I would. Everyone would.

The waiters would get paid a proper pay, so that they can actually live instead of relying on tips like you see the homeless on the street do.
I would see their price and decide whether I would eat their, just like before.

This is how normal businesses work.

Using a form of social intimidation to circumvent the federal law of minimum wage is repulsive and should be a federal crime.
At least at this restaurant they get paid minimum wage.

If the restaurants were to tack on an additional 15 to 20% to your bill as a services charge and give that to their wait staff as a form of commission, it would effectively be the same as customary tips are now (more consistent, in fact). Ironically enough, moreso than before, you would be forced to pay their workers wages, the only difference being that instead of doing it through customary methods, you would be doing it through mandatory methods.
post #129 of 173
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They have no right to force me to pay their workers wages. They don't work for me.
The whole idea behind tips is to force people to pay their workers' wages through social indimidation.

The workers should get paid what they deserve by the company.
If I decide that they deserve even more pay (a tip) then I can do so. But is optional, and by not doing so I am not stripping them of their wages. The company is.

(This was my response when I thought you were talking about paying normal wages, and figuring the cost into the overall business price.)
Yes, I would. Everyone would.

The waiters would get paid a proper pay, so that they can actually live instead of relying on tips like you see the homeless on the street do.
I would see their price and decide whether I would eat their, just like before.

This is how normal businesses work.

Using a form of social intimidation to circumvent the federal law of minimum wage is repulsive and should be a federal crime.
At least at this restaurant they get paid minimum wage.

If the restaurants were to tack on an additional 15 to 20% to your bill as a services charge and give that to their wait staff as a form of commission, it would effectively be the same as customary tips are now (more consistent, in fact). Ironically enough, moreso than before, you would be forced to pay their workers wages, the only difference being that instead of doing it through customary methods, you would be doing it through mandatory methods.

The restaurant can do whatever it wants, as long as it obeys the law.

If they want to charge service charge, then so be it. I wouldn't personally eat there, but some others might.

But even SO, that does not give them the right to pay their workers less than minimum wage.

A good business doesn't charge the customers for their employee's wages directly (as in tipping).
They only ask that you pay for whatever service or good you order.
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I can only think of two instances in my life where advertising affected me. When I was a kid growing up in the 90's and a commercial for the newest super soaker or action figure hit the market, or now as an adult when I see ads for Wendy's on television (not that I even watch television) or ads online. They make me salivate for a chocolate frosty.
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