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It's just like waitresses and waiters. Pay them below minimum wage and expect customers to tip to provide a salary.
NO. Pay your own damn bills and I will pay mine.

Would you be happier if they just included the tip in your total price instead? It would work out to be the same either way (except with less choice as to how much you leave).

That's how restaurants work here in Sweden actually, which means we get crappy service instead.

I think ads should remain relevant to the site their on, and shouldn't track me. If I hang out on Overclock.net, I probably like computer stuff, so advertise computer stuff on the edges of the screen. That's precisely what OCN does, so if every site were this way, I wouldn't need AdBlock.
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What about some products? Stocking some non-perishables like t-shirts, stickers and lanyards would be great (I'm sure this was once the case?). Ad blocking or not, I would like some of these things.

I have to admit the biggest contributor to me not loading ads is my 2Mbit download speed. It increases page load time a bit when my GF or the kids are also using the internet.

 

We have had products in the past (and still do). Our issue is that we usually go for high end product and don't mark up the gear (unless in the one instance we had to due to MSRP issues) because of how expensive it would be if we did.

 

Hats - Made by NewEra

Hoodies - Made by Roots Canada

Ln2 Pots - Made by the folks that make Rolls Royce parts

Keyboards - Ducky :D

etc.

 

We would not sell enough to make a dent though. Ads are needed for sites like ours (well, most sites).

 

I agree with you on the bandwidth cap issue. It has always annoyed me. I do see it from a few angles though (one of which I do not agree with). 

 

  • In all media, you pay more (time and/or money) to get more. TV, Radio and Print media all follow this. Just like the TV company charges you more to get extra channels, the ISP is doing the same. Usage based billing is a discussion for another day though :) Again though, I am not saying ISPs are right for not offering better packages to consumers. I am just saying it has been the "norm" for companies like these.
  • You can support the things you like/love in the ways you want. If you like something, visit it. If you love it, give to it. All we ask is that people know the tradeoffs (as a whole) when enough of you block our ads. 

 

Thanks :)

admin

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We have had products in the past (and still do). Our issue is that we usually go for high end product and don't mark up the gear (unless in the one instance we had to due to MSRP issues) because of how expensive it would be if we did.

Hats - Made by NewEra
Hoodies - Made by Roots Canada
Ln2 Pots - Made by the folks that make Rolls Royce parts
Keyboards - Ducky biggrin.gif
etc.

We would not sell enough to make a dent though. Ads are needed for sites like ours (well, most sites).

I agree with you on the bandwidth cap issue. It has always annoyed me. I do see it from a few angles though (one of which I do not agree with). 
  • In all media, you pay more (time and/or money) to get more. TV, Radio and Print media all follow this. Just like the TV company charges you more to get extra channels, the ISP is doing the same. Usage based billing is a discussion for another day though smile.gif Again though, I am not saying ISPs are right for not offering better packages to consumers. I am just saying it has been the "norm" for companies like these.
  • You can support the things you like/love in the ways you want. If you like something, visit it. If you love it, give to it. All we ask is that people know the tradeoffs (as a whole) when enough of you block our ads. 

Thanks smile.gif
admin

Ah, it's not so much our ISP package, it's the quality of the copper for our house. It's that bad (and they are new builds, about 7 year old) - that and the exchange I'm on is 3 miles away (despite the local one being a few hundred feet.

At university, which I do a lot of OCN browsing there, we're on a 1Gbit line and most workstations get 100Mbit (if available) so I don't bother running any adblockers there biggrin.gif
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At the same time, advertisers do not have the right to constantly bombard us with ads. This is the problem; some site owners clearly believe they have some kind of guaranteed right to show us ads and are whining about it. Nobody guaranteed them revenue based on ads, and no agreement was entered into based on that business model. If you don't like the fact that I browse your site without seeing ads, sue me. See how far you get.

As for third party tracking cookies, mine get deleted every time I close my browser. If you want market research, you're going to pay me for it.

The great resource that is the internet was created pro bono just for you! Wasn't that nice of them? rolleyes.gif

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How is this not advertising to get more site hits?
I'd rather see it go to charity than to users who can afford titans or 3930k's.

A folder or a folding teams electricity bill would be best.

OCN has been rewarding folders for a while now. The more you fold, the higher the bracket you get placed in to be eligible for more money, which inevitably goes towards their electricity bills.

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Without ads though, sadly, there would be no OCN as we know it. We would have been hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt many years ago.

Horse's mouth, meet ears (eyes).

Most people are so completely naive about how the internet works and how its content sustains itself.

As mentioned earlier, admin is quite obviously the man.
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We have had products in the past (and still do). Our issue is that we usually go for high end product and don't mark up the gear (unless in the one instance we had to due to MSRP issues) because of how expensive it would be if we did.

Hats - Made by NewEra
Hoodies - Made by Roots Canada
Ln2 Pots - Made by the folks that make Rolls Royce parts
Keyboards - Ducky biggrin.gif
etc.

We would not sell enough to make a dent though. Ads are needed for sites like ours (well, most sites).

I agree with you on the bandwidth cap issue. It has always annoyed me. I do see it from a few angles though (one of which I do not agree with). 
  • In all media, you pay more (time and/or money) to get more. TV, Radio and Print media all follow this. Just like the TV company charges you more to get extra channels, the ISP is doing the same. Usage based billing is a discussion for another day though smile.gif Again though, I am not saying ISPs are right for not offering better packages to consumers. I am just saying it has been the "norm" for companies like these.
  • You can support the things you like/love in the ways you want. If you like something, visit it. If you love it, give to it. All we ask is that people know the tradeoffs (as a whole) when enough of you block our ads. 

Thanks smile.gif
admin

Here here. I wish I could convey my thoughts as well. I hope it's understood that only were I absolutely need to in order to avoid charges or the horrific ads that hijack the screen do I ad block. This website has avoided that and as a result I'm happy with allowing it to run the ads even though recently they have begun to shift from computer parts to some rather peculiar things...
     
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Lol, so Webbrowsers are now no longer allowed to decide what their own piece of software does ?


Exactly this. How can someone tell you how to make your own software? If I was Mozilla I would tell them to take a broom and shove it!

As a blog writer and website owner I know how much a few simple ads can help with upkeep but at the same time I respect peoples opinion and choice. I really like what Mozilla did with including the ad blocking feature, I know so many basic users who don't know anything about extensions (my mom).
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I feel bad now frown.gif i geuss i can turn adblock off just for you :3
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I've just disabled ad-block on my first site after reading this. I cannot think of any other place that I visit and care about enough to turn it off but here. I knew ads played a considerable role in offsetting site costs, but didn't know it was that significant.
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Most of you probably do not run a website. Those third party cookies allow for tailored ads, and yes users click through them. This generates revenue for the site that they are on through whatever company they are using. This revenue often pays for servers, proxies, server administration, etc... Those sites need that revenue to even exist. Not being able to tailor those ads will harm those sites. Having fuffly bunny fun time game pop up on a tech site, while inherently funny, will not generate the ctr that is needed to sustain small independent sites. This change would mean having to go through, if even remotely feasible for a small site, and tailor packages to the users of the site. I am going to guess from the responses on the site lately, that most people here have no clue what that would even entail. So yes, the ad agency is trying to protect their revenue stream, but this also effects the owners of small time sites that rely on this targeted advertising to keep the site going.

Again this is another example of how OCN members can not see outside the scope of their small faction. Again to reiterate, you are the minority, users do click through those ads and they generate revenue for the site.

Lol^

Dude, we dont need any commercials when we surf, & have surfed ad free for a year.. the internet still works.

I dont care about websites that exist strickly for revenue. Ive donated to wikipedia & others...
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People like Admin are why I am pulled to sites like OCN. When its run by someone who actually cares tremendously about what they are doing, and is a true enthusiast of the community themselves, it just feels that much better. I don't get bombarded with ads, or get my browser overtaken by pop over AND pop under ads. OCN respects their users and does things tastefully.

I like this, so I always allow ads. I like that OCN wants quality, but I'm sure if you had a bargain area of China items with OCN stamped on it people would love to give support in that way as well. Like say, an OCN mouse pad like that 0.99 mouse pad deal in the deals section now. Partner up for cheap pads and sell them for $5 - $6 and I'm sure people would buy it just to support. I can't afford things like a OCN Ducky but I got an OCN hat and its awesome. Pretty much put the rest of my hats in the closet for a year Thats a big deal for "hat guys" tongue.gif

But again, when I have a few dollars to waste here and there, you could offer "bargain" items as well smile.gif Just a thought.

Though Temptation might bite me hard in June/July when I move and get to build a new rig from the ground up, rather than the constant, incremental upgrades I've been doing. Won't feel bad about spending more than I planned on a mech KB but considering its like a donation to OCN as well as a KB purchase, I think I can justify it smile.gif

Also just curious, not asking for numbers, but wondering which item brings OCN its most $$
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