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I don't like most ads but they're necessary for almost all websites to run. How do you think OCN or or yout favorite tech site pays for it's servers, employers and so on, with ad revenue.

Using Adblock hurts the sites you browse, you use their bandwidth but give nothing in return, the truth is you don't even need to click on ads, a lot of them give revenue to the site simply by being loaded. I also often click on ads on my most visited websites to give then some support.

Now Youtube ads have become terrible, one ad at the start and one at the end of the video, which is especially anoying if you're watching a playlist in your couch/bed and need to get up to skip them, especially when some ads double or triple the sound volume.

This may be partially true. I think the more we try to avoid ads the more creative some of these companies get at finding a way to be annoying or force us to watch ads. Especially now with certain video codecs where you can't mute the volume of the ad. Believe it or not there have been a few times where I wont skip a ad after 5 secs of watching a video because it might be something that caught my attention. Though that is still 1 out of 100 times.
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It's ok....we got addons that already block their cookies tongue.gif It's amazing how many tracking cookies every site loads on your end though.

Yup, OCN has Google Analytics, Quantcast, ScoreCard Research Beacon, and VigLink ... all of which are blocked for me. wink.gif

Can you share what you are using for this?
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March 25, 2013, 6:28 AM — The online ad industry has attacked Mozilla over its decision to block third-party cookies in a future release of Firefox, calling the move "dangerous and highly disturbing," and claiming that it will result in more ads shown to users.

Wait.....


This.....



What?





I don't even....
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Can you share what you are using for this?

Try Ghostery, it gives you the same result and works well for both Chrome and FF.
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Can you share what you are using for this?

Do Not Track Me
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So do me a favor and don't speak for all businesses and how cookies are important to a business. They are important for ADVERTISING businesses and maybe companies that have a massive diversity of programs, but they are NOT needed for many companies or personal web sites, and they CERTAINLY shouldn't be used without PERMISSION of the person browsing.
Not true any website that needs to persist information uses cookies, not all cookies are evil.

I like this idea.

https://adblockplus.org/en/acceptable-ads
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Most of you probably do not run a website. Those third party cookies allow for tailored ads, and yes users click through them. This generates revenue for the site that they are on through whatever company they are using. This revenue often pays for servers, proxies, server administration, etc... Those sites need that revenue to even exist. Not being able to tailor those ads will harm those sites. Having fuffly bunny fun time game pop up on a tech site, while inherently funny, will not generate the ctr that is needed to sustain small independent sites. This change would mean having to go through, if even remotely feasible for a small site, and tailor packages to the users of the site. I am going to guess from the responses on the site lately, that most people here have no clue what that would even entail. So yes, the ad agency is trying to protect their revenue stream, but this also effects the owners of small time sites that rely on this targeted advertising to keep the site going.

Again this is another example of how OCN members can not see outside the scope of their small faction. Again to reiterate, you are the minority, users do click through those ads and they generate revenue for the site.

Sorry but no.

I run a web site. Not only personal (which means I pay 100% of the costs out of pocket) but also for my company. Our company web site there is there to support and educate out customers, NOT to try to sell them anything other than our own products. Yes, we COULD add tracking cookies to see what they are clicking on, but we made the choice not to piss them off with cookies. The cost we pay for our web site is just one in a long series of costs of doing business. We don't have to sell advertising space to justify its existence.

So do me a favor and don't speak for all businesses and how cookies are important to a business. They are important for ADVERTISING businesses and maybe companies that have a massive diversity of programs, but they are NOT needed for many companies or personal web sites, and they CERTAINLY shouldn't be used without PERMISSION of the person browsing.

That is interesting, and good for you paying 100% out of pocket for your website. Most people, however, do not have the disposable income to support a large forum base on their own. That is where the revenue from advertisement comes in. If you are running any decently sized site the costs are not that manageable when you start adding in all the over costs to having that site up. Even this site has and has had advertisement, along with the countless others you use. They use more targeted campaigns, because their demographic is very specific, but being on a more broad site that is not the case. You get all kinds of people from different walks of life who have different interests in what they want or are interested in.
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Can you share what you are using for this?

Try Ghostery, it gives you the same result and works well for both Chrome and FF.
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There it is OCN's use. Better stop using this site since they use evil third party cookies.

http://www.viglink.com
http://www.comscore.com
http://www.google.com/adsense/start/
https://www.quantcast.com
http://www.google.com/analytics/
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Regardless,



I don't think more ads will bother me much.
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Regardless,



I don't think more ads will bother me much.

This.
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Ghostery has some conflict of interest issues since the data gathered from the add-on is resold to corporations:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120202006207/en/Evidon-Encompass---solution-connect-cookie-compliance

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120314006134/en/Evidon-Launches-Global-Tracker-Report-Powered-Ghostery%E2%80%99s


It sounds as though that data is used to confirm compliance to laws, but I'm not 100% sure of the implications.

And here is how Evidon explains it: http://purplebox.ghostery.com/?p=1016022414
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