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I'm not sure I ever saw what was wrong with IE9 and certainty not IE10.

IE9 had a different way of rendering padding and margins, that Chrome and Firefox were not affected by.

Spend 2 hours lining up all your css, and finally get it perfect and just the way you want it. Open IE7-8-9 to check for rendering issues..................NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! mad.gif
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IE 10 is very decent, I think it's better than Safari even. MS deserved a second chance here. If it requires them to do this ok. Although I wonder, does that mean, we'll be seeing Firefox marketshare going up ? tongue.gif

No, nah-ah, not even close.

Proof? Renders just as fast as Chrome with every performance increasing experimental feature available. Safari is pretty bad. It's Opera like. Firefox just takes far too long to load up.
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Why can't people actually contribute to the discussion? Some one said they saw nothing wrong with IE10 and the response was "it's not firefox"?! That was enlightening.

I guess the truth hurts. IE lovers.
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Internet explorer. .... Internet explorer..... internet explorer.. INTERNET EXPLORER.

Am i the only one who interpreted **** 4 times in a row? If Microsoft wants to make a good impression with anything new they put out they first have to change the image. The image of "internet explorer" is so bad i honestly can't think of anything else as bad as it. When i hear internet explorer it makes me cringe. When i see my girlfriend using that browser i think ***, doesn't she know of better? What's wrong with this woman? Should i break up with her?


regardless, if they so insist on having their own browser i would start with a name change, how about that? Call it platinum browser for all i care, personally i won't use it but maybe it helps them with a new beginning(?). It's just that the new browsers aren't broken, so why search for something better? This is something they should have improved upon a long,long, long time ago. And now? Not sure..

As for browsers, I never really liked firefox either, i remember a time it was great but overtime it would just worsen and it would end up reaching a point where it would just lag. Then i discovered opera browser, loved it. It was always fluid, however something about it disturbed me. Until google came a long with their browser and thank god for chrome, makes browsing 'fun'. Or should i say it makes browsing feel the way it should without all that bull****. One thing i hate about internet explorer is that thing got toolbars whenever it felt like it. Doubt it's still like that but as i'ver already mentioned, not going to try it out.

For me it's chrome on top and opera comes second.
Edited by Shadeh - 4/5/13 at 12:46pm
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Does FF have touch support? its my fav browser for desktop but touch support on my surface is reall bad compared to IE10 which is golden but lacks other features.
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As long as it is still identifiable as being Internet Explorer, I have no issue with this.

Web development for IE6/7/8, and sometimes 9, is as bad as people make it out to be. To even support 6/7/8, a developer has to create a heavily modified version of the stylesheet. It literally requires almost double the amount of development time usually required for the interface. Personally, I detect for these and display an error message.

I will say, though, that IE10 was a vast improvement in terms of displaying a stylesheet as it was intended, and I have no doubt that IE11 will be even better. Unfortunately, it's things like these that remind me of the IE6 MS, having a monopoly on browser usage, and deliberately using a proprietary, closed-source system so as to keep that monopoly. Luckily, open-source browsers came along and established a new standard, forcing MS to adhere. I have no doubt that if this didn't happen, the internet would still be dominated by IE6 standards.

Anyhow, you've come this far MS, don't screw this up.
Edited by M0rbidDeath - 4/5/13 at 1:53pm
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Okay, guys. I'm not trying to keep the fight up or something, but I have certain things that keep me to Firefox.

First: I quite often have to open and keep open well over 40 tabs (up to 75) for a long period of time (let's round that up to 2 weeks, although it's happened for longer).

Keeping them open is obviously easier than bookmarking, et cetera, and I jump from tab 3 to tab 40, then hop around the next 10 tabs each, so:

As in with FFox, none of them would actually get loaded on start-up, rather "on demand" - that suits me perfectly. First - because of connection limits sometimes; second - RAM wise (sitting in it); third - HDD wise (caching all that info takes a bit of time even on a RAID 0, and also I have it striped to bigger blocks).
*Especially RAM wise Chrome would suffocate thousands of megabytes of ram, literally, with this load. Keep in mind the separate process for each tab, which also mean handlers, zygote, plugins, etc. <- Yes, I like how only one page breaks down if it does so, but with a lot of tabs open it's rather meh, especially when there's no poor coding which would cause a crash. Also exclude Flash Player, since it's contained in the plugin-container of Firefox.

Second of all - since the infamous IE8, and somewhat IE9 (it still worked a bit slower to my experience than FFox) and obviously all of their rendering issues, how exactly does it handle secure connections? I still recall some sites (including my bank's) revoking IE completely, even on their homepage.
Also how does it handle ActiveX? And what I've seen as attacks vs browsers, IE gets to suck it up mostly with major security flaws (hopefully fixed by now).

Third *not really game-breaking but still* - why don't people like the search bar?! I, for one, enjoy having it. First of all, when I do major searches, I don't have to worry about forgetting my search string, etc. Second of all, if I wanna find stuff in my history, I type in the address bar; if I want to search within previous searches, I can look it up in the search bar - without results mixing up, which can sometime take minutes sifting through. And I often use it as a mini-clipboard for short periods ^^ but that's just me.
^
Please keep in mind as this I point out just because of an argument which I had with a friend. Whether/why people hated it (so much).

I've been using a lot of browsers, including Chrome (I even do so on my workstation from time to time at the office), Opera, Netscape, etc. But honestly, since project Thunderbird, I've had a favorite browser.
I tried to give IE a lot of chances, but somehow it just wouldn't keep it's weight.

And FF - yeah. I hate it on Android, and as off-topic I could recommend you try Dolphin. I've had really pleasant experience with it so far. (: It behaves impressively good, I can even download from "ticketed" websites with minor exceptions.
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You know what Fragamemnon, you mention memory usage. I don't know if it's cause I'm using water fox, or something else, but it seems to be gobbling up memory. I only have 4 tabs open (all ocn) yet It's easting up 1330mb of ram. So i just did a test. I just bombed it with 10 more tabs, with lots of content (youtube, hulu, etc)

And it only took up 5 more mb to open up 10 more tabs.

So what I'm thinking is, the longer firefox is open, the more memory it eats up over time, but it seems to use it for its cache. So even though you close up all those tabs, firefox is still keeping those old tabs cached (as i opened them all up, it didn't matter how many links I hit, if it was something I've previously had open in this session, they loaded up faster than I could hit the next link)

Which is very nice. Yes, it means that after a few days, and several hundered tabs, it LOOKS a bit fat, but it never felt like my computer was being hindered by the bloat.

Simply closing firefox cleared it out though.

ok this time I opened as much as I could till my system started hitting the page file hard (firefox in task manager was using 3.5gb i have 4gb of ram)

After closing everything back out till I was left with my original 4, it dropped to a solid 1gb.

I'm not sure what firefox is doing with all that memory, but it must be doing something to keep it speedy
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You know what Fragamemnon, you mention memory usage. I don't know if it's cause I'm using water fox, or something else, but it seems to be gobbling up memory. I only have 4 tabs open (all ocn) yet It's easting up 1330mb of ram. So i just did a test. I just bombed it with 10 more tabs, with lots of content (youtube, hulu, etc)

And it only took up 5 more mb to open up 10 more tabs.

So what I'm thinking is, the longer firefox is open, the more memory it eats up over time, but it seems to use it for its cache. So even though you close up all those tabs, firefox is still keeping those old tabs cached (as i opened them all up, it didn't matter how many links I hit, if it was something I've previously had open in this session, they loaded up faster than I could hit the next link)

Which is very nice. Yes, it means that after a few days, and several hundered tabs, it LOOKS a bit fat, but it never felt like my computer was being hindered by the bloat.

Simply closing firefox cleared it out though.

ok this time I opened as much as I could till my system started hitting the page file hard (firefox in task manager was using 3.5gb i have 4gb of ram)

After closing everything back out till I was left with my original 4, it dropped to a solid 1gb.

I'm not sure what firefox is doing with all that memory, but it must be doing something to keep it speedy
Firefox does cache up to 20 pages of history in each direction for each tab (Configurable in about:config), but even when it's set to 1 (which is actually up to three, previous, current, and next) I would always end up with it using way too much ram after a few weeks. I don't tend to keep tabs open and go back and forth much, so chromes garbage collection is much nicer for my use. That said, there are definitely different user types for these different strategies.
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@Nenkitsune Hmm, well yes. It pretty much caches that. But if you tweak the open variables you can set a lesser cache so even if you have to work with a lot of tabs in one session, you would still unload some of the last ones. As for now, six hours after a cold start with 106 tabs, and about browsing through 6-7 tabs (including this one), I'm @ 440MB RAM with 154+4,3MB in the FlashPlayerPlugin, along with the obligatory 2.8Megs in the plugin-container. I bet you could set your cache to get dropped faster.

Edit: Okay, you got me wondering. After some solid CPU time and all 106 tabs pushed through, I'm sitting at 1744MB with 530 in the Flash Player plugin. biggrin.gif
I guess I'll just wait it out, see how long it takes to get back to normal, ergo clear the cache.
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