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post #11 of 32
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The cases on the market currently that I see most people using for these qualities are the Switch 810, Corsair 800d(700d,650d), CoolerMaster Cosmos, Xigmatec Elysium, and the Shinobi XL. Another case to mention is the SM8 Merlin by Caselabs that has all of the features I mentioned while also having a quality side window(a must have in my opinion); the quality of design and materials used are shown in the pricing of this case. One of the things that deters me from making a decision on the large majority of these cases is the overall large use of plastic in their designs. The days of the simple metal case are slowly vanishing.

you mentioned a few "pricey" items in there... do you have a budget for this? just so we can steer you in the right direction... if you still intend to go the air route, but simply wants some liquid options, then an arc midi would fit that perfectly. but you are are positive about switching to liquid, then you will need to seriously think out your budget. CLC works fine on arc midi, so anything beyond a midi would mean custom loop which is major bucks.

so... step 1. figure out your budget. that will dictate if you go full liquid or simply a CLC option.
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From everything I have seen, the entire point of liquid cooling is to cool off major components such as the Processor and the Gpu(s). I personally see no point in CLC for the processor unless your case is just lacking the right depth for a quality air cooler. There are many aircoolers out there that match some of the better clc's. If you are going to do liquid cooling for a system, you might as well do a full loop as you get the most bang for your buck as well as space.

As for my budget, every case I have listed is easily affordable to me. I am not just throwing money at the highest dollar option though, but rather I am looking for the best option within the price ranges listed by those items. SM8 being the max. In my eyes, anything higher than that is for extreme enthusiasts who do this on a professional level and have lots of expendable cash.

I would like to keep this under 300 dollars for sure seeing as I still need to purchase a new video card. My build has been ever expanding and will most likely never be complete. As I upgrade more and more components over time, eventually the case they are in must be updated too.

I asked in another thread about the best air cooled cases and they all come out "fast and furious" styled with huge 200mm fans and led backlit mesh panels. I am currently working on modding my Lian Li to have 3x 140mm intakes on the front but I fear botching the job completely and ending up with an eyesore of a case. I would like to have a backup, solid option to move into if I do.
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post #13 of 32
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The only thing of recent that I have bought that was Rosewill was a couple of cables(usb). I have no doubts that they have stepped up looking at reviews for this case and seeing that they are still even on the market. It normally happens which a company gets popular for lower prices. It takes a minute but they can start using better materials and designs with a higher influx of money.

All that being said, the case does not have an attractive design to me. I owned and Azza Solano before I purchased my Lian Li, and this reminds me more of that style with all the plastic and mesh. Nothing against the mesh as it is great for some airflow, but it just cheapens the overall look to me when its all plastic.

As for the Silverstone lines, all of the cases that have the inverted mobo trays to push heat up and have the cable management on top are out. To me that design is way more obtrusive than it is worth. Its too niche and gimmicky, and from what I have read, they are moving away from that design with their newer lines. Also, in that price range you might as well go with a Caselabs or Mountainmods case if you are looking at the Temjin Series TJ07. I will honestly say they are some great cases indeed regardless of my opinion of their aesthetics or unique inversion styles.

little known fact: rosewill = newegg brand biggrin.gif it's one of their subsidiaries smile.gif so yah they aren't going away and they generally put out decent stuff. basically they look into their database and figure out what people are buying, then go to the manufacture and say put a rosewill sticker on it and we'll buy a bunch from you biggrin.gif generally speaking rosewell have good value because newegg buys directly from the manufacture. their design may not be up there with silverstone or corsair, but quality wise, they are decent for their price range.

as for silverstone. engineering wise, you will not find a manufacture out there willing to try new stuff as much as silverstone and generally speaking their engineers knows what they are doing. as far as the "rotated" mobo design (not "inverted" mobo tray, that would simply mean the case opens from the right side instead of the left. and the CPU is towards the bottom of the case rather then top of the case). the rotated mobo mount or vertical mount is not a gimmick. it actually works.
HOWEVER, it does NOT work miracles.

the PRIMARY benefit of the stack cooling effect is maximum separation of cool intake and warm exhaust. meaning the bulk of the benefit from the vertical mount actually occur OUTSIDE the case. hot air rises and cool air sinks. we know this from physics, however it is negated when there are fans involved so INSIDE the case, the air will flow where ever there is a pressure differential. so technically speaking you can have intake on the top side of the case and exhaust on the bottom side of the case and completely negate the concept of convection cooling effect through the use of fans. HOWEVER, outside of the case, there is no fan dictating where the air will go so convection cooling is the primary determining factor in whether your cool intake will mix with your warm exhaust. IF your intake is ANYWHERE near a warm exhaust, you are essentially raising your ambient temp because the warm air will be sucked back into the case as if it was ambient air.

depending on where your case is located and the fan configuration you have in the case, there can be situations where the warm exhaust is sucked right back into the case as intake (using the rear exhaust port as an intake for a rad for example) in that situation, the warm exhaust air of the GPU/PSU is sucked right back into the case as "cool" air for your CPU rad biggrin.gif not too bright, but some people do it. another situation is when someone uses the top exhaust vent as an intake and the computer is situated under a desk... well a good portion of the warm air from the computer's exhaust is trapped by the table top, and now that trapped warm air is going right back into the case as "intake" from the top vent biggrin.gif

ANYWAY, a vertical mount system like the FT02 or RV02 basically eliminate those situations... can it still happen. i suppose, but the likelihood of it happening is much lower because people understand the concept better. besides... what most people neglect to see in cases like the FT02/RV02 is the fact that there are 3x180mm INTAKE fans that comes with the case... that is more CFM then any other case that is being sold w/o adding more fans biggrin.gif here is a picture that would illustrate the point better because people have a hard time seeing things when they are rotated



see those 3 HUGE fans in the "front"? yah those are 180mm fans (not the typical 120mm or even 140mm fans) and see how close the top and middle one is to your GPU and CPU w/o being blocked by the typical HDD cage of a normal case designs? yah that's going to improve the cooling of those components because cool air doesn't have to travel far or make turns JUST to reach the warm components of your machine smile.gif also notice the distance between intake and exhaust. the distance is so short there is really no way for it to develop a hot spot inside the case like other designs...

so... in short. there are designs that are "gimmicky" in the computer world. but in this particular situation, it doesn't apply because the concept actually works and have real world benefits.
post #14 of 32
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I would like to keep this under 300 dollars for sure seeing as I still need to purchase a new video card. My build has been ever expanding and will most likely never be complete. As I upgrade more and more components over time, eventually the case they are in must be updated too.

I asked in another thread about the best air cooled cases and they all come out "fast and furious" styled with huge 200mm fans and led backlit mesh panels. I am currently working on modding my Lian Li to have 3x 140mm intakes on the front but I fear botching the job completely and ending up with an eyesore of a case. I would like to have a backup, solid option to move into if I do.

well, it's good to see that you are "willing" to mod, because it does open up the options biggrin.gif are there any thermal requirements you'd like to reach?(triple SLi etc?) or any size requirements you like to reserve(480rad? thick rad? ) with a $300 budget (not to exceed $400 if it's clearly a better option) there are few choices but depending on just how much liquid you are intending to use.

figure that out and we are 1 step closer to the proper case for your needs.
post #15 of 32
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When I referred to it as gimmicky, I simply meant it isn't going to work miracles for your heating issues. If anyone spent over 100 dollars on their first case and took time to properly cable manage and fill in their missing fan slots, their cooling will be more than adequate sure. The "rotated" design to me feels like a gimmick as the trade off is top panel wire management with a plastic piece to cover it all up. I personally do not like the design. And as I have said, I have read that they are moving away from that concept all together. I do appreciate the thoroughness of your post. That took some time to write out and detail, and I hope that will help someone in their quest for an upgrade!

Now if I could find a case designed as that one is but positioned as shown in that picture, I can only imagine how much better it would be for air cooling. It would also leave no expandable areas for liquid cooling though which the market would probably not jump on sadly.

One thing I did neglect to mention is that I only use SSD's currently in my system and have no optical drives. I have used a usb dvd player for a year now and see no reason to put one in any other build. My hdd is external usb 3.0 for all of the games I am currently playing and it works totally fine for me until SSD's come down further in price.
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post #16 of 32
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When I first started looking into modding my Lian Li, I opened up the front more by removing as much as possible and found I can fit a 420 Rad. That is what got me into reading as much about liquid cooling and everything it requires. Its not the biggest midtower, but it has ample space in the front if you are willing to remove a lot.

If I were to buy up for Liquid Cooling, I would start with a large radiator like a 420 and block only my cpu. Once I purchased a new video card, I would immediately drown it.
Going with the 120 per block plus 120, a 420 rad would cool about 3 things? I will never go tri or quad SLI, as I would rather just upgrade the cards with a newer one and pass the SLI setup to the gf's computer. I would never massive OC my processor either as I am neither folding nor benchmarking.

As I am typing all of this out, I am still keeping my Lian Li mod in the back of my mind. I just feel that if I were to ever cool it, I would be against a wall constantly trying to manage the space. It would be more of a headache down the line and probably not the best thing when trying to get into liquid cooling.
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post #17 of 32
for my future uber build i want to go with something like this cooler master haf 932 advanced
http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=6693&category_id=18

tough i am running now a 25eur worth euro case ml-542 and am running top cpu temps of 60C and gpu 63C

EDIT: i also have my midi tower on desk. it doesnot intake that much dust as when its on ground

best
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Edited by revro - 3/25/13 at 3:20pm
post #18 of 32
Well, how necessary is it to keep it under the desk? I have taken my computer out of its little cubby under my desk. Not sure if you'res allows for airflow though, mine didn't so now my PC sits on a filing cabinet. At least till I build a new desk.
    
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I would like to keep it under the desk. My processor doesn't go over 60, and my vid card over 72C. I have looked at the HAF series and am not interested. I didn't even list it because I am trying to move away from that look. I do not enjoy the overly large fan design. More conventional sizes are preferred.

I have pictures linked in my sig of my current rig and setup. I will add a few more to help out with what I currently have.
Edited by xioticin - 3/25/13 at 3:28pm
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I'm rocking the Switch 810 and love it. Haven't used the others though, but I considered all of the ones you listed before making my decision. Everyone has different needs and tastes though, and I can't really say you could go wrong with any of those choices. Check out my rig "The Judge" in my siggy if you want to see some pics of my Switch build.
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