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Originally Posted by Ha-Nocri View Post

Steamroller will also be 14nm? Well, if Haswell doesn't bring a 6-core on a mainstream platform and Steamroller is another AMD fiasco, we (consumers) will be in a very hard position.

Steamroller is going to be 28nm, Global Foundry's 28nm process is barely ready for mass production, their 20nm(let alone 14nm) isn't anywhere near ready. Intel will continue to hold a 1-1.5 node die shrink advantage over Global Foundry for the near future.

Even TSMC's 20nm process won't be ready to go mass production until early 2014(for Maxwell/Volcanic Island), and TSMC, there is no chance for anyone but Intel to produce 14nm based CPU product in 2014.
Edited by sherlock - 3/25/13 at 11:59am
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Jeez pretty steep. I wonder if Intel is kinda taking the Nvidia approach where their old architecture products are meant for mid - low range.

Then if I remember right IB was pretty expensive at first compared to SB.
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It's a pre-order/pre-release pricing leak, why would anyone believe this is the actual price? Pre-pricing is always inflated.
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Steamroller is going to be 28nm, Global Foundry's 28nm process is barely ready, their 20nm(let alone 14nm) isn't anywhere near ready. Intel will continue to hold a 1-1.5 node die shrink advantage over Global Foundry for the near future.

Even TSMC's 20nm process won't be ready until early 2014(for Maxwell/Volcanic Island), and TSMC, there is no chance for anyone but Intel to produce 14nm CPU product.

14nm vs 28nm isn't going to be pretty
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is the performance / 2600k worth the money to upgrade?
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Originally Posted by Stay Puft View Post

I'm not sure why everyone is so unhappy about the list price. 362 is cheap compared to mainstream chip prices 10 years ago. Maybe it's just perspective since I'm old

Rabble rabble rabble in my time, when the dinosaurs roamed the earth

C'mon, you can't be that old biggrin.gif

I think people complain because in just about every other industry there are continous and significant improvements that actually lower prices rather than maintaining or raising them. But that wouldn't make happy all those Intel stock holders. I just hope AMD recovers from it's bumps, idiocy and mismanagement and we get a third processor company in the future, cause if not, pretty dark times are ahead of us(if there are not already here...competition breeds innovation and lowers prices, we get more for less, and that's what we want, not that some unknown shareholder gets richer. thumb.gif
    
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14nm vs 28nm isn't going to be pretty

It isn't even that pretty now 22nm vs 32nm

Vieshera 32nm die size = 315mm^2 with no GPU, 1.2 Billion CPU transistors



Ivy Bridge 22nm die size =160mm^2 with a iGPU taking about 1/3 the die space, so the non-GPU part is roughly 107mm^2, 1.4 Billion CPU & GPU transistors.

After the production cost reduction pays off the 22nm fab, the cost of producing 22nm Ivy would be significantly less than 32nm Vieshera, that's not counting Ivy sells on average for much higher price on desktop & even higher prices on mobile parts(Vieshera have no mobile parts). Intel's revenue and margins(and as extension the R&D budget) are things AMD could never dream of matching due to this Die shrink advantage.
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Steamroller is going to be 28nm, Global Foundry's 28nm process is barely ready for mass production, their 20nm(let alone 14nm) isn't anywhere near ready. Intel will continue to hold a 1-1.5 node die shrink advantage over Global Foundry for the near future.

Even TSMC's 20nm process won't be ready to go mass production until early 2014(for Maxwell/Volcanic Island), and TSMC, there is no chance for anyone but Intel to produce 14nm based CPU product in 2014.

Well, than it's clear, CPU future isn't gonna be pretty for us tongue.gif

Take that avatar off. lol, jking thumb.gif
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