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Originally Posted by bencher View Post

Yes cause cpu power matters a lot over gpu power in a tablet wth.gif.

An amd z-60 uses 4.5watts

while the Intel Core i5-3317U uses 17 watts and the Intel Atom Z2760 uses 15 watts.

Who has the better product?

Amd whipping butt here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV-U50Viv_k

Are you going to play AAA games on the tablet that doesn't have the HDD space for them? What would you need the GPU for?

Of course the CPU performance is more important for a device like this as long as the GPU is good enough to handle pretty much everything but those AAA games.

Performance wise the Z60 is a pathetic chip: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Z-Series-Z-60-Tablet-Processor.83198.0.html As I said AMD just doesn't have anything that could compete with the 10-17W IB chips.
 
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post #42 of 51
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Are you going to play AAA games on the tablet that doesn't have the HDD space for them? What would you need the GPU for?

Of course the CPU performance is more important for a device like this as long as the GPU is good enough to handle pretty much everything but those AAA games.

Performance wise the Z60 is a pathetic chip: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Z-Series-Z-60-Tablet-Processor.83198.0.html As I said AMD just doesn't have anything that could compete with the 10-17W IB chips.

Are you going to fold etc on tablet?

You are all over as usual when you lose an argument.

If the chip was pathetic the performance in the youtube video would be pathetic also.
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Originally Posted by aeassa View Post

Obviously you missed the chart where Clover Trail platform didn't use more than 3W wink.gif

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Originally Posted by sherlock View Post

Mind pointing out where it says Z2760 uses 15W?

In a review of the Acer W510 & Atom Z2760 posted by Anand himself 3 month after your link:

This is the result


I don't see the 15W you claimed anywhere here.

Sorry i made an error.
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post #43 of 51
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Are you going to play AAA games on the tablet that doesn't have the HDD space for them? What would you need the GPU for?

Of course the CPU performance is more important for a device like this as long as the GPU is good enough to handle pretty much everything but those AAA games.

Performance wise the Z60 is a pathetic chip: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Z-Series-Z-60-Tablet-Processor.83198.0.html As I said AMD just doesn't have anything that could compete with the 10-17W IB chips.

What AMD could use to compete for design win is a Quad Core 28nm Temash(Jaguar Core) Chip with good GPU power for a 1080p Win8 tablet in the <$600 range. I don't think Intel can't get a Core ULV chip down to there to compete due to price point and current Atom GPU is so dreadful no OEM want to use more than 768p on their Atom products.

Intel ofc have a counter in Baytrail with 22nm, Quad core OoO Atom with Ivy bridge GPU ALU, but that's scheduled for Q3 at the earliest(Temash is Q2). It will be an interesting fight for design wins.
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post #44 of 51
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The point is AMD will get a nice profit from this.

Argue about other divisions in some other thread.

This thread is about consoles.
The AMD version is called "ultrathin"

The only company making anything close to rivaling an Ultrabook is HP. They call it the "Sleekbook".
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HSA is vaporware at the moment and AMD's upcoming Temash solution is almost 100% slower in single thread benchmarks and 50% slower in many-thread workloads. Intel doesn't have to beat AMD in graphics, only offer "good enough" performance and the HD 4000 is within 20% of the AMDs fastest APU graphics.

This should be particularly alarming considering Intel didn't compete with AMD a few years ago, now they're nipping at the heels.

As for Nvidia, they do make CPUs but they've yet to integrate them with their graphics for this segment. Project Denver, is too late to the party.

This is comparing apples to oranges. Temash does not compete with an i5 as while it is less powerful, it consumes less power. It's competition is in a lower power bracket than the i5. Specifically it targets the Intel Atom and it competes very well in that regard. I for one would love a surface pro with Temash inside. I don't see what you would be doing on a surface pro that requires such a powerful processor. Multimedia/games seem to be the most demanding thing you would be doing on a tablet and the igp in temash would be more than enough to power any and all of those needs.
Edited by Ultracarpet - 3/25/13 at 11:11pm
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Are you going to fold etc on tablet?

No but I'd like to use normal apps like winrar at acceptable speeds. Hell, the Z-60 is slower than a E-450, and as a guy who owned a netbook with one of those, they're painfully slow even though you can do some gaming on them. The Z-60 is almost as bad as a C-50, while the Z-60 consumes very little power the C-50 is so slow that you really, really would not want to run a proper windows 8 on it.

In cinebench the Z-60 seems to be scoring 0.4 while the i5 found in the surface gets a score of 2.3. One is acceptable performance and one isn't. Hint: acceptable might be the one that's nearly 500% faster.
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You are all over as usual when you lose an argument.

If the chip was pathetic the performance in the youtube video would be pathetic also.

Well you can't see that it's pathetic from someone playing MW2 on it (not actually even playing, just running a single scene). As I originally said AMD can't offer the performance intel does at 10-17W which is what the surface is going for. If they wanted a lower performance tablet they would have made one, but seeing how horribly low performance atoms and low power AMD chips are, I understand why they didn't.
 
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Yes cause cpu power matters a lot over gpu power in a tablet wth.gif.

An amd z-60 uses 4.5watts

while the Intel Core i5-3317U uses 17 watts and the Intel Atom Z2760 uses 15 watts.

Who has the better product?

Amd whipping butt here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV-U50Viv_k

Are you going to play AAA games on the tablet that doesn't have the HDD space for them? What would you need the GPU for?

Of course the CPU performance is more important for a device like this as long as the GPU is good enough to handle pretty much everything but those AAA games.

Performance wise the Z60 is a pathetic chip: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Z-Series-Z-60-Tablet-Processor.83198.0.html As I said AMD just doesn't have anything that could compete with the 10-17W IB chips.

There are a lot of tasks that are GPU accelerated these days. Chrome is making big use of this as well. I'm quite surprised what the E2-1800 can actually pull off.

Outside of that, I completely agree. The CPU is more important then the GPU in non-gaming workloads/every day tasks. The HD3000 is sufficient enough in most GPU accelerated tasks as well. If AMD can get their act together and make on-par CPUs, then their APU design can really take off. Heck, if they can offload more tasks to the GPU, then the CPU doesn't matter as much as it initially did.
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Considering that AMD lost 1.2 BILLION dollars last year, this doesn't change their long-term viability all that much.

Please don't spam stuff you don't understand.
 
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I am laughing how Surface Pro has an i5 with an Intel HD 4000... AMD offers far superior technology with its APU and HSA.

At a WAY lower pricepoint, too.
   
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No but I'd like to use normal apps like winrar at acceptable speeds. Hell, the Z-60 is slower than a E-450, and as a guy who owned a netbook with one of those, they're painfully slow even though you can do some gaming on them. The Z-60 is almost as bad as a C-50, while the Z-60 consumes very little power the C-50 is so slow that you really, really would not want to run a proper windows 8 on it.

In cinebench the Z-60 seems to be scoring 0.4 while the i5 found in the surface gets a score of 2.3. One is acceptable performance and one isn't. Hint: acceptable might be the one that's nearly 500% faster.
Well you can't see that it's pathetic from someone playing MW2 on it (not actually even playing, just running a single scene). As I originally said AMD can't offer the performance intel does at 10-17W which is what the surface is going for. If they wanted a lower performance tablet they would have made one, but seeing how horribly low performance atoms and low power AMD chips are, I understand why they didn't.

They made one though, it is Surface RT (I still don't understand why MS went with Tegra 3+WinRT over Clovertrail+Win8, Anandtech's Acer W510 vs Surface RT review shown Clovertrail won hands down) and so far it is selling a lot better than Surface Pro despite being far worse in all aspect except price point & batterylife.

What Temash & Baytrail SOCs are aiming for is to get into a product at Surface RT's price point and offer so much extra performance that it can comfortably run Win8 & have a 1080p screen.
Edited by sherlock - 3/26/13 at 7:18am
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