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Originally Posted by Bloodbath View Post

Does anybody on here even care about the price of mid and low end cards? seriously this is OCN!
*cough* HTPC *cough*

look , i just got a flame so i know EVERYTHING! biggrin.gif

after three flames i'll start to realizes what i don't know . . .
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Originally Posted by cam51037 View Post

Pff, they've only dropped the prices of the 650 Ti and 660 so far, nothing good yet.

But AMD has the cheaper cards still, and with the free games included it's no doubt NVIDIA is selling less cards than AMD.

[citation needed]

badly.
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Originally Posted by svenge View Post

Agreed. I'm an NVIDIA guy, but when I heard about that F2P credits promotion I face-palmed for about an hour...

Anyhow, a price war in the "1080p border zone" (7790, 7850, 650 Ti / Boost, and 660) would be a great incentive for lower-budget gamers to finally get a card that can do Full HD with some eye-candy.

You're underestimating the F2P market like most people on OCN. There's a reason why F2P titles have become so popular, a ton of people play them. For example I have a bunch of friends who saw the F2P deal with NV cards and said that it was awesome. They could care less about crysis 3 etc., they just want to play their F2P games with their friends.

Even though some people on OCN might not like it I think the bundle is actually a brilliant move. They're drawing sales from all the F2P gamers, a big bunch today. Just because I/you don't like most current F2P games doesn't mean that there isn't a market there.
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Originally Posted by darksideleader View Post

Is this 2003?

Yes.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Frame-Rating-Part-3-First-Results-New-GPU-Performance-Tools
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Originally Posted by sugarhell View Post

Except if you have a 1400 mhz gtx 670 you cant really match a high oc 7950. Gl matching this one on graphic score

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/6231384

With that kind of an OC you're probably about as likely to get that 1400MHz 670...

The average OC on air on hwbot (those don't even need to be more than benching stable) for the 7950 is 1142MHz and the average for water is 1246MHz.
 
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Does anybody on here even care about the price of mid and low end cards? seriously this is OCN!

Yes absolutely. There are more people using multi video card setups. Thereby drawing more interest to crossfire and sli gaming profiles (benching too).



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Originally Posted by XNine View Post

You'd be very surprised. "This is OCN" has sort of lost it's meaning, it's being flooded by budget $400 gaming builds. frown.gif

I've notice this trend myself. There is strength in numbers. Best to keep an open mind like. Look how cheap ssd's are, ram, the list goes on and on. However the most important point is look how many more opportunities to make new friends or help some one in need. That is why we are here. : ) thumb.gif

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*cough* HTPC *cough*

look , i just got a flame

Been thinking on turning my i7-720 in to HTPC.
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What an Nvidiot.

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Originally Posted by bencher View Post

If a overclocked 7950 can match a 7970. THen ity has no problems beating a 670 or matching a 680.

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Originally Posted by CyberWolf575 View Post

Holy hell that OC. The highest I was ever able to get mine to was 1300, but at that point it was more for just running a benchmark. It couldn't run that way 24/7. But I am still very happy with my 1240/1750 OC. I can beat pretty much every stock 680, unless it's a game in which AMD just performs poorly.

I'm not responding to these individually because the first two obviously put a lot on that bold section. IF a card can overclock, that's a huge if considering most cards don't get much more than 1150 on air from what I can tell. 1200 tops on the average good OC, even then you aren't beating an OC'd 7970/670 but whatev. I left the 3rd quote in to show you what happens IF a 670 can overclock well. I think that covers it nicely does it not? Some games prefer some cards, I won't deny that one. I'm just saying performance for what you get, will favor Nvidia in most markets. They have a larger dev team, longer practice, it's not really fair to have them compete head to head directly.

I consider all markets too, AMD has pushed ATi drivers in Linux extremely well. I just think it speaks quite a bit when I just bought a 7950 and used the "latest" drivers, official and beta, only to get 300 pts less in Linux than windows for Valley. The kicker? AA was off in Linux, I'd get 1/2 (or less) the score if it was on. What does that say about driver compatibility? I'd gladly run other Linux benchmarks to justify that but I highly doubt it is one of those random instances.

So with that, I'll say AMD still has work to be done. I bought the card because I believe they have gone a long ways. I do regret buying the card and not getting a 670 but the price for what you get, it does beat out Nvidia hands down. And no, I wasn't that serious about a 660ti. I would defiantly have the 7950 I just bought over a 660ti, just if I had the money I would rather get a 670 over this. So put your faith in Ifs, I won't.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/crysis_3_graphics_performance_review_benchmark,7.html

Stock for stock, we know the answer. So IF each card can OC by the same percent, the answer should be obvious. Not saying a 7950 is a bad card, I bought one for the reason that it's amazing at the price. I also can't say how much they could improve driver performance, just what I've experienced is one team is better than the other (generally). So in a couple months, you might see those benchmarks get drastically better. You may already have reviews that "prove" this. I can also get you the same stats for Linux, showing one team DRASTICALLY under performs. Which does reflect on their driver ability, either way pricing speaks well. One company still has a general edge on the other, in the market of high end products. Until you see Nvidia slash the 670/680 prices by a decent margin to "compete", you know who is better. It's business, I won't deny that. They also develop CUDA/Physx and from what I've herd, are a lot quicker to respond on the dev side (and support is generally better). Also says a lot about a company, however they don't have to compete with Intel. Which sucks because that competition is going to take away from the GPU competition, which I'm sure AMD already knows they can't keep up hence the huge push for APUs to win over both markets at the budget end.

Anyways, I'm not a fanboy or I wouldn't have bought a 7950. Trust me, I wouldn't. I bought an Ibanez over a Fender, cause I personally think Fender is terrible even though I could have gotten a guitar cheaper. Not worth it, Fender blows. All my purchases are generally slanted and biased, this time I decided to have an open mind and give AMD a try. Mainly because the Never Settle Bundle made me think "why not, can't be that bad". In the end, it was that bad. Linux performance is god awful compared to Windows, which hits me hard as a Linux user. So I have distaste, however if you don't use Linux the card is absolutely the best buy for the money. I'll stick with that since currently no card offers enough performance to justify spending the money you would on something else. It's the best all around priced card, take that as a fan boy comment or whatever. IDC, I base my ideals with the experiences I have with a product.
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You'd be very surprised. "This is OCN" has sort of lost it's meaning, it's being flooded by budget $400 gaming builds. frown.gif

I've notice this trend myself. There is strength in numbers. Best to keep an open mind like. Look how cheap ssd's are, ram, the list goes on and on. However the most important point is look how many more opportunities to make new friends or help some one in need. That is why we are here. : ) thumb.gif

I understand. It just irks me that people will kick and scream about a case being 200 bucks when they'll have it for 5 years, then go out and spend 800 bucks on GPUs that they'll replace in 1 year. Doesn't make sense. I'm all for helping people (I wouldn't be where I am without a lot of people within the modding/building/watercooling areas). It's always nice to help newcomers get off on the right foot. It's just really irritating when people put down other people's builds when they couldn't do it if they tried, ya know?
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I just see ZERO reason for anyone to buy an nvidia card tbh. amd cards perform better, they're cheaper, more vram and comes with AAA games.
I went with NVidia because I am a folder.
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I was thinking that the 670 would be cut to 300$ would be perfect for my backup rig frown.gif jeez

That being said i think my brother will still want the 7950 for the games, just hope i get a good clocking card like my 7970 smile.gif
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Fight for market share?

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

On the list of most popular graphics card, AMD doesn't even show up until #8, and they have 3 products in the top 20. 680 almost doubles the 7970. And don't kid yourself, Tegra dominance is even more lopsided. Do we even want to get into company profits?

This is no more of a fight than I would be stepping in the ring with 1995 Mike Tyson.
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badly.
You're underestimating the F2P market like most people on OCN. There's a reason why F2P titles have become so popular, a ton of people play them. For example I have a bunch of friends who saw the F2P deal with NV cards and said that it was awesome. They could care less about crysis 3 etc., they just want to play their F2P games with their friends.

I know your friends would find it awesome.

F2p credit is very weak compared to other bundles.

I am sure we can agree on that.
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I went with NVidia because I am a folder.

I'm a folder also BUT.... I am also a BOINCER(Is that what it's called?) Doing both at the same time is pretty nice.... Hot as hell though...
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