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Nvidia can't cut prices! They're too elite for that!

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If they dont slash the price of 680 to 350gbp they will lose a sale. I bought my gtx680 last april - a year ago. I paid 360. I do not see why they feel that the current price at 420gbp is reasonable.

When are the new cards popping up? 780 and the equivalent for amd?
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I'm not a fan of either camp in fact i've been green for most of the years since i started building. How do you figure AMD isn't competition to Nvidia? Or am i misinterpreting your post?

As of right now at least excluding Titan AMD competes across the board. The 7970 stock is usually between the 670 and 680 and trades blows with the both (really varies between sites), the Ghz edition is usually on par to a little faster than the 680 albeit costing the same if not more. When you factor in overclocking and price a 7970/7950 is a hell of a deal. Their driver team has improved leaps and bounds since the past couple of years as well. For 300$ a 7950 is hard to beat if your looking for a GPU that wont break the bank IMO. Sure OCing isn't guaranteed but most 7000 series cards are pretty decent overclockers.

BTW i'm currently going through a bad experience with XFX and their 7970 so if you went through anything like that i feel your pain, selling the SOB after though. Anyhow i picked up a reference Diamond and so far i'm impressed.

I'm not saying the 7950 isn't competition, or a bad deal. I was just saying it can't directly compete with a 670, it's close but that only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. If you were to ask me personally, from all the stuff I've read (no job, it tends to be a lot of reading) I'd put the 7950 right below the 670. How you stated the 7970 is basically what I would say, it's between the 670 and 680, trading blows more with the 680.

We have an odd mix this year as the 670 has an obvious advantage over the 660ti, and that's bandwidth. If we weren't moving up in res, the 660ti might be more ideal. Unfortunately that isn't so, and the 7950 has PLENTY of ram and bandwidth. In fact I'd almost say it has too much, Crysis 3 only uses 1500MB at 1080p. Granted I didn't max AA but AF was, I think it might pull 2000MB or higher if I had both maxed. Since the average person is going to run 1080p, that 3GB is plenty for today (almost overkill). We haven't even seen this year's cards and games currently aren't maxing last year. If they had better abilities on die, the 7950 could easily take on the 670/680. I just don't see that happening,

I think people focus too much on the res aspect, especially when good companies come out and create software that cripples the hardware in other ways. Nvidia has an edge over AMD in this, it's their field. For what AMD was given, the size company, they do a good job competing with Nvidia. Power isn't the equation here, it's a much slicker game with these companies.

To really elaborate on how to see it, does one really think the Titan was coincidentally released before Crysis 3 and Bioshock, both AMD pivots? You also started to see major driver updates earlier this year, rendering huge performance boosts for Nvidia titles, especially in linux. Shortly after you get the latency mishap, AMD recoups with a fix at a "performance" loss. You think either company just had an "oops" moment about those drivers? I'm guessing Nvidia spent a lot of focus from drivers, converting that workstation card to a desktop card. Later they had time to do some software recoup while they waited for the Titan release, which was all planned (DUR). AMD slacked off to save face, higher FPS numbers ment more then than latency and optimization. The end result? Nvidia puts the foot down, poops out a Titan and what's AMD got? You think they are going to drop out a Zeus? They are with holding the "official" 7990 for what reason? You got to think about the market, tactics, everything. I could go into more events, why they were handled such, how the timing ment something. Nvidia did it's driver updates/optimizations around the time Gabe went crazy about Steam for Linux. Coincidence?

When you are in the tech industry, you require insider information (not illegal trading, just solid rumors). They plan everything, to the key, to get backers and more customers. AMD pushes HSA, not to gain the PC market but to strengthen their hold on APUs. With that they could easily cover the low end PC market, mid range laptops, even portable devices if they can get power consumption down. They also got the Console market, still doesn't change the fact that Nvidia or Intel can stomp them in their markets.

Anyways, AMD does compete I never said otherwise. I just said if you have the money, they aren't top dog. No way will I justify the idea that a 7950 outperforms a 670, even overclocked as I'll still hold the belief that the other company has the same possibility of performance gains via OC. It's random, one card can be amazing and another not so. It is in no way justifiable in a broad sense, that's all. The 7950 might have an average OC that is higher than the 670, it still has to OC to catch up and the push that higher to go above. The 670 only has to do a minor OC to make it that much tougher to catch up, meaning less head room to go higher and above. In the end, the 670 has to do less effort to go above the OC'd 7950, just how I see it. I don't gamble on IFs, I gamble on solid knowledge. From what I've seen, the 7950 on average gets 1175. That can beat a stock 670, note I say CAN. Depends on game, benchmark, ect... Can that beat an OC'd 670? Maybe, chances are probably not. Don't know the average 670OC but it doesn't have to be much to beat a card that's already being OCd. So I'd place my money on saying the 670 is a more solid product. Does not mean I would tell a person to get it, if you have nothing else to do but Windows and gaming the 7950 is hard to pass up. Very hard.
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While it holds true that AMD drivers are becoming better and better this last year... This holds true for the most part on one screen and at most two cards.

Everything more then that and I tip my hat off to Nvidia.

What are you smoking ? tongue.gif

Eyefinity has been superior in almost every way for ages.

As for CF vs SLI scaling. That depends on the game, seen Titan scaling lately ?
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AMD is just as much top dog as Nvidia, I really don't know where you're getting all of your info from if you claim to do so much reading. The 7970 often beats the 680. Essentially making it top dog in regards to non Titan GPU's.

FYI the 7950 at stock settings beats the 670 in several games, such as Sleeping Dogs and BF3. I really don't know what you're going on about.
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If they dont slash the price of 680 to 350gbp...

I don't think that would go far enough, nor do the cuts on the lower tier cards. UK prices are way above the rest Europe anyway and these new prices are an insult for the UK market - they're still higher than EU prices were (of course the EU prices are now lower still.) I find it strange given the UK is part of the EU.

Never Settle Reloaded is terrific value, and given the prices of the AMD cards I won't consider the UK Nvidia prices competitive unless they got dropped at least as low as: 660 Ti to around £150, 670 to £200 and 680 in the £250-£275. Obviously it isn't going to happen, but even though I prefer Nvidia it's hard to choose or recommend their cards at the moment.
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About time, the 600 series is so money > performance.
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AMD is just as much top dog as Nvidia, I really don't know where you're getting all of your info from if you claim to do so much reading. The 7970 often beats the 680. Essentially making it top dog in regards to non Titan GPU's.

FYI the 7950 at stock settings beats the 670 in several games, such as Sleeping Dogs and BF3. I really don't know what you're going on about.

As I've said too, some games will favor one company over the other. How many times to I have to repeat the same crap? That's the same argument somebody would say about AMD, it beats Intel in specific areas. Doesn't mean anything in the larger picture. I just don't see overall performance on the 7950 beating the 670, too many variables. AMD has a lot on their plate, they can't focus as much as Nvidia. One can also say it's pretty weak that the 600 series can beat AMD in their exclusives. Also desn't really say much, Nvidia could have had nice performance gains. What was the last driver used on a review for BF3? Not to mention, wasn't it said that the latest AMD drivers improved latency but gave up FPS? Efficiency for perceived power? Anyways, I'm not going to draw this out with benchmarks and see who pisses farther. If you don't like my views, that's cool.

If it weren't for the fact that next gen cards have to come out, you might see the 7950 get more focus. Same with the 7970, just don't see that happening. If you do, then more power too ya. I'd rather have a product knowing stuff like latency fixes shouldn't really hinder my performance. Nvidia's pretty solid with drivers, very solid. Though I question the Titan release, too me it looked rushed and sloppy. They played the AMD game, work on drivers later (crap sli, sub par performance for what the hardware should push). AMD made a solid piece of hardware, just aren't exactly in the perfect condition to take any performance crowns as top dog.

People make it out like I think the 7950 performs drastically below, only in linux. wink.gif Other than that, it's not THAT far behind a 670. Just won't say it beats it overall, sorry.
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Should be retitled "nVidia slashes prices of mid ranged cards".

Here i was with all this excitement that the 670/680 dropped....


NOPE ):
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Just the same way no one will admit that the 670 beats the 7950 overall. That's the point that seems to be slipping right by you. Your own personal views are fine and dandy but that doesn't make them gospel. Anyone that looks at these things objectively can easily see that the 7950 and 670 are very much competitors and they trade blows. I don't know why it's so difficult for your to admit that.

and btw, AMD did have the performance crown prior to Titans release (ever so slightly). Another fact that you seem like you wont accept. We aren't talking about sales numbers or market share, simply performance.
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