Originally Posted by Blackops_2
I'm not a fan of either camp in fact i've been green for most of the years since i started building. How do you figure AMD isn't competition to Nvidia? Or am i misinterpreting your post?
As of right now at least excluding Titan AMD competes across the board. The 7970 stock is usually between the 670 and 680 and trades blows with the both (really varies between sites), the Ghz edition is usually on par to a little faster than the 680 albeit costing the same if not more. When you factor in overclocking and price a 7970/7950 is a hell of a deal. Their driver team has improved leaps and bounds since the past couple of years as well. For 300$ a 7950 is hard to beat if your looking for a GPU that wont break the bank IMO. Sure OCing isn't guaranteed but most 7000 series cards are pretty decent overclockers.
BTW i'm currently going through a bad experience with XFX and their 7970 so if you went through anything like that i feel your pain, selling the SOB after though. Anyhow i picked up a reference Diamond and so far i'm impressed.
I'm not saying the 7950 isn't competition, or a bad deal. I was just saying it can't directly compete with a 670, it's close but that only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. If you were to ask me personally, from all the stuff I've read (no job, it tends to be a lot of reading) I'd put the 7950 right below the 670. How you stated the 7970 is basically what I would say, it's between the 670 and 680, trading blows more with the 680.
We have an odd mix this year as the 670 has an obvious advantage over the 660ti, and that's bandwidth. If we weren't moving up in res, the 660ti might be more ideal. Unfortunately that isn't so, and the 7950 has PLENTY of ram and bandwidth. In fact I'd almost say it has too much, Crysis 3 only uses 1500MB at 1080p. Granted I didn't max AA but AF was, I think it might pull 2000MB or higher if I had both maxed. Since the average person is going to run 1080p, that 3GB is plenty for today (almost overkill). We haven't even seen this year's cards and games currently aren't maxing last year. If they had better abilities on die, the 7950 could easily take on the 670/680. I just don't see that happening,
I think people focus too much on the res aspect, especially when good companies come out and create software that cripples the hardware in other ways. Nvidia has an edge over AMD in this, it's their field. For what AMD was given, the size company, they do a good job competing with Nvidia. Power isn't the equation here, it's a much slicker game with these companies.
To really elaborate on how to see it, does one really think the Titan was coincidentally released before Crysis 3 and Bioshock, both AMD pivots? You also started to see major driver updates earlier this year, rendering huge performance boosts for Nvidia titles, especially in linux. Shortly after you get the latency mishap, AMD recoups with a fix at a "performance" loss. You think either company just had an "oops" moment about those drivers? I'm guessing Nvidia spent a lot of focus from drivers, converting that workstation card to a desktop card. Later they had time to do some software recoup while they waited for the Titan release, which was all planned (DUR). AMD slacked off to save face, higher FPS numbers ment more then than latency and optimization. The end result? Nvidia puts the foot down, poops out a Titan and what's AMD got? You think they are going to drop out a Zeus? They are with holding the "official" 7990 for what reason? You got to think about the market, tactics, everything. I could go into more events, why they were handled such, how the timing ment something. Nvidia did it's driver updates/optimizations around the time Gabe went crazy about Steam for Linux. Coincidence?
When you are in the tech industry, you require insider information (not illegal trading, just solid rumors). They plan everything, to the key, to get backers and more customers. AMD pushes HSA, not to gain the PC market but to strengthen their hold on APUs. With that they could easily cover the low end PC market, mid range laptops, even portable devices if they can get power consumption down. They also got the Console market, still doesn't change the fact that Nvidia or Intel can stomp them in their markets.
Anyways, AMD does compete I never said otherwise. I just said if you have the money, they aren't top dog. No way will I justify the idea that a 7950 outperforms a 670, even overclocked as I'll still hold the belief that the other company has the same possibility of performance gains via OC. It's random, one card can be amazing and another not so. It is in no way justifiable in a broad sense, that's all. The 7950 might have an average OC that is higher than the 670, it still has to OC to catch up and the push that higher to go above. The 670 only has to do a minor OC to make it that much tougher to catch up, meaning less head room to go higher and above. In the end, the 670 has to do less effort to go above the OC'd 7950, just how I see it. I don't gamble on IFs, I gamble on solid knowledge. From what I've seen, the 7950 on average gets 1175. That can beat a stock 670, note I say CAN. Depends on game, benchmark, ect... Can that beat an OC'd 670? Maybe, chances are probably not. Don't know the average 670OC but it doesn't have to be much to beat a card that's already being OCd. So I'd place my money on saying the 670 is a more solid product. Does not mean I would tell a person to get it, if you have nothing else to do but Windows and gaming the 7950 is hard to pass up. Very hard.