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Hi, I recently made the step into entry-level audiophile territory when I purchased the ATH AD700 to pair with my Titanium HD soundcard, but am not sure where to go moving forward from this. I primarily use my setup for gaming, but do enjoy kicking back and just listening to lossless audio now and again (about a 70-30 split). So the two options I've narrowed it down to are:

1. Get a Fiio E9 amp and upgrade my headphones to either the AKG Q701 or the Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm
2. Sell my Titanium HD for the Z (or maybe Zx) and upgrade to either the AKG Q701 or the Beyerdynamic DT880 600 ohm

So basically I'm having trouble deciding which headphone and soundcard would better suit my needs. For gaming I really want a wide, open soundstage reasonably similar to that offered by the AD700s for positioning, but with more bass presence for explosions and overall immersion. I've read that the DT880 has a 'blind spot' between 5 and 7 o'clock and a more narrow soundstage than the Q701, but that it's overall a better sounding headphone. On the soundcard side, I've heard really good things about the new Z series, a user on this forum even claimed that the Zx sounded better than the Titanium HD to his ears, plus there's the more updated drivers and an integrated headphone amp, so I wouldn't need to buy the E9. Also, the ZxR is a little out of my price range. I don't really play games which support EAX anymore, but have found that I prefer CMSS 3D to the Dolby Headphone on my previous Xonar DX. IS SBX Surround just a re-named Dolby Headphone?
Thanks in advance for any advice, it's much appreciated smile.gif
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is there some reason you can't keep the AD700?

what kind of music do you listen to?
    
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is there some reason you can't keep the AD700?

what kind of music do you listen to?
There's no reason I can't keep the AD 700, I would just like to upgrade to a headphone that has a bit more bass presence and overall sound quality. I listen to a bit of everything (electronic dance, rock, metal, rap, even classical) so I don't need bucket loads of bass, just a relatively neutral headphone.
post #4 of 17
many people around here have more than one headphone because what you want in a musical headphone is often different than gaming.

buying a new sound card is a waste of time and money. keep the Titanium HD and AD700. you should buy a headphone amplifier and headphone for music.
    
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essentially what your asking is what is the ultimate headphone for gaming, movies and every genre of music and there isn't one.
    
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Ok I recently bought the Beyerdynamic DT 990 pro 250 ohms. I have to say they sound GREAT for edm music. They have a great bassy punch. The only thing is the highs are a bit weak, but that could be because I am still breaking them in. I use the headphones with my Fiio e07k+ Fiio e09k. I think they are the best headphones in the price range. They 250 ohms run for around 200 USD. I am very happy with my purchase.
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essentially what your asking is what is the ultimate headphone for gaming, movies and every genre of music and there isn't one.
Not exactly, I understand that every headphone has it's strengths and weaknesses, eg. my AD700 being great for detail whoring but not so good for bassy music. That's why I narrowed my headphone choices down to the DT880 and Q701 - while not being the most enjoyable headphones for listening to music or offering exaggerated soundstages for gaming, they do both to a pretty decent level, which is what I'm looking for. What I'm really wondering is if anyone here on OCN has tried both sets of headphones for music and gaming, and what their experience was like.
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Keep the Titanium HD, anything else would be a side-grade at the best, and the Z or Zx wouldaactually be a step down. I have not heard a better rounded sound card than the Ti HD, it does everything well from games to music to movies, with a bit more emphasis on games, providing incredible presence, and extremely accurate positioning.

The ATH-AD700's are pretty much unsurpassed for gaming, but I understand the feeling that they are a bit soft on bass. The bass is there, but the open design causes it to roll off rather than "impact" like closed cans.

Personally, I think Grado produces some of the absolute best open/dynamic headphones, and out of all the open cans I've owned or used, they have the best bass; it's one of the reasons that they are recommended for rock and similar types of music.
I use my PS1000's and GS1000's for audio mixing (and recording and editing), as well as with my RS1i's, 325i's, and 225's for pleasure listening and gaming. They are not as accurate for positional audio as are the AT cans, but they are better than the Sennheisers at each price point IMHO. The different types of cups produceddifferent effects, allowing you to tune the sound: you can increase bass, increase the soundstage, muffle the highs or enhance them... It's like having an equalizer between your ears and the drivers.
I personally prefer them to Sennheisers, again at any price point, up to and including the Sennheiser 6xx's, and I also like them better than the Beyers but these are also better than Sennheiser to my ears. Basically, with Senns, I get a lot of sibilance, and they just don't feel "alive", and I don't mean that in a studio monitor way, but rather they feel cold and unexciting.

There are a lot of very good options out there at every dollar amount, but I can't and won't tell you what to buy. What I will tell you is that, as someone who works with sound, what I hear is likely very different from what you hear (in terms of perceived subjective quality). Therefore, I think you should not spend another penny until you get to a good Hi-Fi store and audition at least, AT LEAST, one dozen pairs from 8-12 different manufacturers. Ideally you would determine a price range and listen to a model from each of six to ten manufacturers at the low end of your range and then the next from the same manufacturers but at the highest amount you can spend. This will help you get a feel for the different signature of each manufacturer, and only then can you make a truly informed decision. Bring a CD of your own, a real CD (not a burned one, and absolutely no "digital" music), the one you have listened to more than anything else and know upside down and backwards, and if it's a good shop they'll allow you to audition the cans with your own music. If they won't, then leave because they are not interested in having you as a customer. Pick about 20-30min of tracks and only listen to those same tracks over and over, ideally listen to them on your current setup a few dozen times prior to going to the store (over the course of days, not all at once) to refresh your memory. I personally use Sigur Ros' "Agaetis Byrijun" as my reference CD.

Happy hunting, and I hope this is helpful!
   
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I'd go with option 1 - your soundcard is fine.
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Not exactly, I understand that every headphone has it's strengths and weaknesses, eg. my AD700 being great for detail whoring but not so good for bassy music. That's why I narrowed my headphone choices down to the DT880 and Q701 - while not being the most enjoyable headphones for listening to music or offering exaggerated soundstages for gaming, they do both to a pretty decent level, which is what I'm looking for. What I'm really wondering is if anyone here on OCN has tried both sets of headphones for music and gaming, and what their experience was like.

Well the Dt880s are going to have better bass than the Q701s. Personally I prefer the Q701s, but they are NOT worth the Australasian prices.

Honestly, if you want a GOOD audio setup, sell everything you have (headphones and sound card) and look for a used O2 amp and dac and a used sennheiser HD600 or HD650 (HD600 is a bit more bassy and acurate, but the HD650 has a smoother sound).

I have been playing the *upgrade slowly* game and I can tell you that it is a massive waste of money. Save up, get good stuff the first time, and never look back. You have no idea how much money you will save by doing that.
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