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Well the Dt880s are going to have better bass than the Q701s. Personally I prefer the Q701s, but they are NOT worth the Australasian prices.

Honestly, if you want a GOOD audio setup, sell everything you have (headphones and sound card) and look for a used O2 amp and dac and a used sennheiser HD600 or HD650 (HD600 is a bit more bassy and acurate, but the HD650 has a smoother sound).

I have been playing the *upgrade slowly* game and I can tell you that it is a massive waste of money. Save up, get good stuff the first time, and never look back. You have no idea how much money you will save by doing that.
Thanks for the advice, I've seen you around the forums quite a bit so I know you have a lot of experience behind you. In regards to the Q701, you can typically find them on eBay in Australia for around $250 to $300, is this still over-priced? Also, I think you're right about just having to try out the different headphones myself, like you said, everyone hears sound differently. The main reason why I haven't done this already is because audio positioning is one of the main things I need in a set of cans, and most Hi-Fi stores don't have a rig with BC2 running in their stores to test out positional audio tongue.gif It's also why I didn't go with a DAC and Amp from the get-go, I need something that can produce virtual surround sound for my gaming needs.
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Keep the Titanium HD, anything else would be a side-grade at the best, and the Z or Zx wouldaactually be a step down. I have not heard a better rounded sound card than the Ti HD, it does everything well from games to music to movies, with a bit more emphasis on games, providing incredible presence, and extremely accurate positioning.
Yeah, I thought it was a bit strange that a card with a lower-grade DAC and capacitors could sound so much better than the HD, though I understand 'better' is subjective.
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Thanks for the advice, I've seen you around the forums quite a bit so I know you have a lot of experience behind you. In regards to the Q701, you can typically find them on eBay in Australia for around $250 to $300, is this still over-priced? Also, I think you're right about just having to try out the different headphones myself, like you said, everyone hears sound differently. The main reason why I haven't done this already is because audio positioning is one of the main things I need in a set of cans, and most Hi-Fi stores don't have a rig with BC2 running in their stores to test out positional audio tongue.gif It's also why I didn't go with a DAC and Amp from the get-go, I need something that can produce virtual surround sound for my gaming needs.

Let me put it this way, I got my Q701s on sale in the US for 170. That is about 160 AUS. Are they good headphones? Yes. But are they worth the over inflated prices in Australia? Probably not.

More specifically, the Q701s NEED an amp. In fact, the only way I really enjoy them is by using a tube amplifier since the tubes add more of a smooth and rich sound to them. Otherwise they are rather bass light. I personally don't find the bass issue to be that big of a problem, but for someone who is actually trying to pursue better bass, it might be a problem.

I also do NOT like beyer dynamic. Everyone seems to love them, and I mean absolutely NO offense when I say this, but I have a hard time believing that the people who rant and rave about them have heard anything else. They seem really stuffy. There isn't a massive sound stage like the Q701s. The bass seems on the very edge of being muddy. The lower mids are sort of punchy when they are supposed to be smooth. They just aren't all they are cracked up to be IMHO. Again, if you hadn't already noticed.....this is MY opinion. I am not trying to proclaim that you will have the exact same experience.

So in general I say either headphones are sort of a wash at this point.

I do believe strongly in auditioning headphones. It is probably the number 1 most important thing people need to do. However, I do caution you; 99 times out of 100, the paces that let you try out headphones do NOT have good setups for the headphones. So the headphones will often times sound worse than apple ear buds. They key is to try and bring as much audio gear with you as possible and try to improve the setup at your own discretion. Another thing people really screw up is that when they do listen to the headphones, the almost never play enough music. People will often times only listen to a bass heavy song, think the bass is great, and then when they take them home, they play maybe a softer song and learn that the mids are terrible. You NEED to make a play list with little 1 minute bursts of your top 10 favorite songs and listen to the whole range of music.

As for positioning.....honestly it is one of the biggest loads of bull crap floating around on the internet. I have played BF3 with HD800s on tube amps, with crappy little ear buds with on board audio, and of course my q701s with the asus stx/tube amps/receivers/creative sound cards/etc. I even played with my DIY headphones that I made with audio technica ATH-AD900x drivers and paired it with a retarded little USB sound card. Most of those setups are """""terrible for gaming"""""". It is all nonsense. I can hear where people are coming from, I can hear foot steps, I can hear everything just fine no matter what I have on. If someone tells you that positioning is more important than having the absolute best sound quality, then they are lying to you and they are probably lying to themselves.

The only.........ONLY headphones that I have used that actually make a SLIGHT difference in gaming is the razer tiamat 7.1 headphone, and those things are so bad that I had a headache for several hours after using them. Soooooo I would NOT worry about gaming so much. I can pretty much guarantee that you will be fine in that category.
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Yeah, I thought it was a bit strange that a card with a lower-grade DAC and capacitors could sound so much better than the HD, though I understand 'better' is subjective.

IDK what it is with people this past month, but for some reason everyone seems to think that the newer creative cards are like the ultimate gaming/audiophile sound card. The titanium HD still is better. There are some things that simply transcend the "subjective" argument. Telling people to get a worse sound card is one of them.

Now I bet you 20 bucks that someone is going to argue about how much better the Zx is because it has all this fancy positioning software. It is all lies. Unless you like listening to echos in a game.....when you aren't in a room, then I suggest you stick to 2 channel sound and ignore all the software.
Edited by Tjj226 Angel - 3/27/13 at 6:56am
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I agree with all of the above, except we will have to agree to disagree about "positional accuracy"... It's something that is very noticeable to me, and I'm far from a competitive gamer...
   
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I agree with all of the above, except we will have to agree to disagree about "positional accuracy"... It's something that is very noticeable to me, and I'm far from a competitive gamer...
Ok, I went and did something I probably should have done a while ago - played Far Cry 3 with CMSS 3D turned off to see if I could still locate things based on sound alone. Holy s***, I think the game was even better without CMSS 3D! The first thing I noticed was the bird song and jungle-noises all around me, sounds that never came through when I had CMSS 3D on. Then to really test out the audio positioning, I chased a chicken into some long grass, gave it a 10 second head start and then started tracking it by the clucking noises and rustling grass, and found I was in no way handicapped by having CMSS 3D turned off.
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Ok, I went and did something I probably should have done a while ago - played Far Cry 3 with CMSS 3D turned off to see if I could still locate things based on sound alone. Holy s***, I think the game was even better without CMSS 3D! The first thing I noticed was the bird song and jungle-noises all around me, sounds that never came through when I had CMSS 3D on. Then to really test out the audio positioning, I chased a chicken into some long grass, gave it a 10 second head start and then started tracking it by the clucking noises and rustling grass, and found I was in no way handicapped by having CMSS 3D turned off.

........told ya thumb.gif

So I have converted 1, now I just need to convert the other 99,999,999. biggrin.gif
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I don't feel one way or the other about CMSS3D, just that in some games it works well and in others is doesn't. I do PREFER to have it off, but I don't get angry or punch things when I have it on wink.gif
   
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