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How much do you think they profit on this car?

Probably not much. Even with the ultra premium price tag the manufacturing and R&D cost are huge. Combine that with the low number of cars sold and whats left is not that much I suspect. Its more about bragging rights and promoting the brand. It might pay of in the future though as the might make a more mainstream EV later where they can utilize some of the lesson learned from the electric SLS.
    
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How much do you think they profit on this car?

Knowing Mercedes, boat-loads on every car.

Knowing electric cars, not very much.


The truth probably lies somewhere in there. My guess is probably $40,000 or so per car, but I'm no expert. In any event it's a pretty cool car. I'm surprised the range is so bad, seeing that it has a 1,200lb battery, but still. Progress is progress. Once battery tech gets better E-cars will take over and be better in every way. Too bad we've got a long way to go.



@ cost issue vs. Tesla.

Mercs are status symbols. That's pretty much all they've been for a LONG time. They do really impressive stuff, but they over charge by a ton, simply because they can. They don't really have any serious competition in the ultra-luxury brand market. Even if they did, some of the features are still merc exclusives, so they can simply use that to justify the price.
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post #33 of 92
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How much do you think they profit on this car?

Not a clue. Depending on how much "creature comforts" there are (which in real "Super Cars" there aren't much, because it's all about HP and speed), it could be only a couple tens of thousands of dollars, or it could be upwards of a quarter million. No idea from the article.


Still, as impressive as the 0 to 62mph in 3.9 seconds sounds, it's got nothing on "KillaCycle". And all electric motorcycle that does 0 to 60 in 0.97 seconds (that's right, UNDER 1 second). Of course it has a 260kW power plant (350HP) and weighs a hell of a lot less.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster

0 to 60 mph in 3,9 seconds and being able to reach 201 km/h before being limited sounds like a supercar to me...
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Electric cars are fail except intown metro areas. They are inefficient. Hybrid is much better. No one thinks about all the energy consumption it takes to make electricity,usually some coal-fired,CO emmitting 1950's relic. The batteries are too heavy,and if we all used them landfills across the world would be filled with them. They are not the answer.

Now if it was solar-powered,or battery tech progresses enough,then yeah EV's will have a place. EV Supercars are a long way off from being even close to practical.And yes,no sounds sucks,and is very dangerous,just waiting for more people to get killed by silent cars.

I'm pretty sure everyone thinks about the coal-fired power plants. It is included in plenty of fuel equivalency calculations and isn't some sort of dark secret. It also takes a lot of electricity to pump and refine gasoline from crude oil. As more and more countries increase the percentage of solar, nuclear, and wind power generation, these points become even less of a factor in the calculations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster#Petroleum-equivalent_efficiency

Many batteries can be recycled in more than one way to handle a majority of the waste, so that's not a deal breaker either. Plenty of other things are used by a lot more people and will take up a lot more space in landfills. At the end of their automotive life they still have something like 70% capacity can be use to augment the long term storage required by more renewable energy sources.

No sound is hardly an issue, as many manufacturers are just putting something noisy under the hood to alert pedestrians.

EV's are not practical for most people right now and still have a slew of problems, but they are a lot better off than your post makes them to be. Some of those "issues" have been non-issues for decades and since a large percentage of the earth lives in metro areas... them "failing" outside of metro areas is another non-issue since there are plenty of hybrids and regular cars to go around.
    
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Still a joke price wise. Pure EV is never going to be a solution to the issues we have now....

First smart post in here. Think of EVs as the laserdisc of cars. Ridiculously overpriced and impractical. They're basically financial landmines for early adopters.
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Electric cars are fail except intown metro areas. They are inefficient. Hybrid is much better. No one thinks about all the energy consumption it takes to make electricity,usually some coal-fired,CO emmitting 1950's relic. The batteries are too heavy,and if we all used them landfills across the world would be filled with them. They are not the answer.

Now if it was solar-powered,or battery tech progresses enough,then yeah EV's will have a place. EV Supercars are a long way off from being even close to practical.And yes,no sounds sucks,and is very dangerous,just waiting for more people to get killed by silent cars.

lol, so much of this is wrong.

1. Hybrids have half the "problems" you mentioned.

2. Batteries can be recycled and what do you think happens to regular old cars?

3. As electricity becomes cleaner, so do these vehicles with no change required by the owner. The fuel powered engine of a hybrid does not. This includes filtering out pollutants at the plant, new methods of electricity generation, better transportation of electricity, etc.

4. There has never been a single supercar that had any intention of being practical.

5. You can't here the motor or exhaust on 90% of the cars on the street to begin with. You hear the noise from the tires. Can't even tell my 400hp Camaro SS is on when standing next (which is depressing). If you rely on hearing the engine or exhaust of ANY vehicle to know it's coming then you are doing it wrong in the first place. No engine sound sucks, but it's not any more dangerous.
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First smart post in here. Think of EVs as the laserdisc of cars. Ridiculously overpriced and impractical. They're basically financial landmines for early adopters.

Laserdisc was a disc with digital data that is read with a laser. Same as a CD, DVD, or BluRay. EV isn't the laserdisc of cars, current versions of EV cars are the laserdiscs of cars because they will probably need a different plug standard in the future and what not.
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lol, so much of this is wrong.

1. Hybrids have half the "problems" you mentioned.

2. Batteries can be recycled and what do you think happens to regular old cars?

3. As electricity becomes cleaner, so do these vehicles with no change required by the owner. The fuel powered engine of a hybrid does not. This includes filtering out pollutants at the plant, new methods of electricity generation, better transportation of electricity, etc.

4. There has never been a single supercar that had any intention of being practical.

5. You can't here the motor or exhaust on 90% of the cars on the street to begin with. You hear the noise from the tires. Can't even tell my 400hp Camaro SS is on when standing next (which is depressing). If you rely on hearing the engine or exhaust of ANY vehicle to know it's coming then you are doing it wrong in the first place. No engine sound sucks, but it's not any more dangerous.
Laserdisc was a disc with digital data that is read with a laser. Same as a CD, DVD, or BluRay. EV isn't the laserdisc of cars, current versions of EV cars are the laserdiscs of cars because they will probably need a different plug standard in the future and what not.

Actually the point he makes about electric vehicles using more electricity to manufacture is entirely correct. Some electric/hybrid vehicles can require up to 3 times the electricity for during manufacturing compared with conventional cars. Most of the world still uses coal power (definitely in Australia) or nuclear, neither of which are "good" for the environment from an emissions perspective. Even though nuclear reactors are much cleaner and more efficient than coal, the impact of mining the uranium, thorium etc. offsets a lot of those benefits.

2. Actually most batteries in electric/hybrids vehicles can NOT be recycled and must be replaced every 5 years. They are full of a number of heavy metals that leech into soils and contaminate ground water and aquifers when left in landfill. Yes, a certain percentage of each battery can be recycled. However the cost of recycling batteries is incredibly high, and the batteries used in electric/hybrid cars are no where near fully recyclable. Not to mention the power required to recycle said batteries is again, another negative factor of electric vehicles.

The biggest issue with electric cars is maintenance. When you have to swap out the batteries every 5 years at a huge cost (it isn't cheap, ask a first gen Prius owner) and maintain some really high-tech fuel cells and other electric wizardry, the cost of maintaining them is astronomical compared to a standard combustion engine. Until they can get the service pricing and maintenance pricing down, electric vehicles won't go anywhere quickly.
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Actually the point he makes about electric vehicles using more electricity to manufacture is entirely correct. Some electric/hybrid vehicles can require up to 3 times the electricity for during manufacturing compared with conventional cars. Most of the world still uses coal power (definitely in Australia) or nuclear, neither of which are "good" for the environment from an emissions perspective. Even though nuclear reactors are much cleaner and more efficient than coal, the impact of mining the uranium, thorium etc. offsets a lot of those benefits.

2. Actually most batteries in electric/hybrids vehicles can NOT be recycled and must be replaced every 5 years. They are full of a number of heavy metals that leech into soils and contaminate ground water and aquifers when left in landfill. Yes, a certain percentage of each battery can be recycled. However the cost of recycling batteries is incredibly high, and the batteries used in electric/hybrid cars are no where near fully recyclable. Not to mention the power required to recycle said batteries is again, another negative factor of electric vehicles.

The biggest issue with electric cars is maintenance. When you have to swap out the batteries every 5 years at a huge cost (it isn't cheap, ask a first gen Prius owner) and maintain some really high-tech fuel cells and other electric wizardry, the cost of maintaining them is astronomical compared to a standard combustion engine. Until they can get the service pricing and maintenance pricing down, electric vehicles won't go anywhere quickly.

Woo! Someone has sense in this thread.

I honestly dont think Mercedes has any intentions of making tons of money with this car. Like most cars that are early adopters of new technology, it was probably more for R&D then anything else.

I also agree that EV cars cost an ungodly amount of money to maintain. I cant remember where, but I was reading that it would take something like 20yrs of owning a pruis to actually see the benefits of saving money on fuel when compared to a gas powered car that was similar. Although huge strides have been made in this field, theres a lot more to go.

Lastly, i'm a gigantic motor-head, but I also know that eventually they will be replaced. The thing that saddens me the most is losing manual transmissions. (I've never owned an automatic)

PS, that color made my eyes bleed lol.
    
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Well, nice to see a new toy.

But Horse Power never was a problem with E cars, electric engines can produce alot more momentum then conventual burning engiens guess why all formula 1 cars have CARS to boost the top speed.

They accumulate, engine power over some laps to release it in one boost in a critical situation of the race. It is a Capcitor based battery in the car that stores power and throws it out onto the road when needed.

So why dont we all have it? Well we need a storage medium for the power and most batteries nowdays drive you 100-200miles then run dry a gas engine drives you 600-1200miles and then run dry.

So the gas engine drives you 6 times further with one charge.

We need A technology that makes combustion engines obsoledate and supports Ecars.

Well and that would be a kind of gasturbine hybrid car with some capacitors to store brake energy and overpower from the turbine, also the gas turbine need to burn gas aswell as gasoline. Also you need to be independent from tankstops and can refule everywhere.

A car with a gasturbine as generator can release alot of HP to the street, while still be able to run a 1000 miles with one tank stop.
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