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Actually you dont know how high they can boost. For example my reference gtx670 on my htpc can boost up to 1150-1175~..Compare it the original 7970 (925 core) is a bit high.
Like if you oc your 7870 at 1.15 cant compete with the 7970.Its the same situation.I know I cant really compare clocks between different architectures but i believe 7970 was a bit underclocked on the release and gtx 680 released like months later.You can easily adjust a bit better your clocks against the competition. And then nvidia add the boost feature. Interesting and clever way to win the stock reviews but a pain for the overclockers

That's not how you define "clocked to the moon"

Microprocessors are assigned a clock target based on effective yield. If you introduce slack in clock targets you can ease on the binning process and more dies will pass the qualification test. If nVidia clocked the 680 to the moon it would have been a limited card.

Yes the 7970 was clocked really conservative but on the other hand, the GE alters the power envelope quite a bit. It might have been AMD's design consideration to release it as a more power efficient part rather than a top performing part. They probably had certain estimates for nVidia's Kepler but decided that power should prevail over efficiency in the end. That and again effective yield. No other reason to clock conservatively.

You should note that Kepler not only expands on Fermi, it also fixes what went wrong with Fermi. Fermi could have been a much better chip if they gave it more time. It was however already that late that they could not afford not showing up any longer.

That's the difference this gen. GF104 was extracted from GF100 after more research (mind you GF104 has some pipeline adjustments vs GF100). GK104 was designed in parallel with GK100. They didn't need to rush GK100 to the market as long as GK104 did what it was supposed to do. It did however do more than it was expected to do...
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This is why I never considered the 680 to be the 580's true replacement. Titan is.

I completely agree
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I completely agree

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No matter which high end cards are discussed about, I know I struggle to even afford a GTX 670. Too bad I've had 2 crap out in less than a year on me. Sigh.... sadsmiley.gif

Anyway, I was trying to overclock my 650ti Boost and it seems like it hits the wall at about 1202mhz on the core clock when the power limit is 115% on afterburner. I still am pretty clueless as to how to overclock a video card properly even with guides. There was a good youtube video I watched yesterday that explained afterburner well, so I'll probably watch the rest of it tonight.

EDIT: I did some more testing with the Bioshock Benchmark, but I will use the Valley one later to really test its limits.
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Alatar, how do you figure that the jump from Fermi to Kepler was so much more amazing than the jump from Cayman to Tahiti? I mean, the 580 was a huge die GF110 which was then demolished by the small die GK104 (which is the basis for your argument right?). Well, I'd argue that the 7970 is also a small die chip that demolished the large die 580 well before Nvidia could even hope to get Kepler out. What's more, Tahiti had to improve a whole lot more over the 6970 than the 680 had to improve over the 580. Yet somehow the 7970 was "disappointing" or "less than what Nvidia expected"? How so? What could Nvidia have possibly been expecting from the successor to Cayman? They knew all along that AMD was not going with a massive die.

Everything you quoted yourself saying earlier is your supposition, nothing more. The idea that Nvidia was sitting around one day when the 7970 released and said "Hey, that 7970 is no where near as powerful as we thought it would be (even though it crushes our current flagship GF110 chip at a much lower power consumption level). We should just use GK104 to compete..." is laughable. The only facts we have are that GK100 was scrapped and GK110 would never have been ready in time to compete with Tahiti. That's it. I never said that GK104 wasn't a smaller chip that was clocked to the nines to become the new flagship but that was Nvidia's decision and had nothing to do with AMD...
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Alatar, how do you figure that the jump from Fermi to Kepler was so much more amazing than the jump from Cayman to Tahiti? I mean, the 580 was a huge die GF110 which was then demolished by the small die GK104 (which is the basis for your argument right?). Well, I'd argue that the 7970 is also a small die chip that demolished the large die 580 well before Nvidia could even hope to get Kepler out. What's more, Tahiti had to improve a whole lot more over the 6970 than the 680 had to improve over the 580. Yet somehow the 7970 was "disappointing" or "less than what Nvidia expected"? How so? What could Nvidia have possibly been expecting from the successor to Cayman? They knew all along that AMD was not going with a massive die.

Everything you quoted yourself saying earlier is your supposition, nothing more. The idea that Nvidia was sitting around one day when the 7970 released and said "Hey, that 7970 is no where near as powerful as we thought it would be (even though it crushes our current flagship GF110 chip at a much lower power consumption level). We should just use GK104 to compete..." is laughable. The only facts we have are that GK100 was scrapped and GK110 would never have been ready in time to compete with Tahiti. That's it. I never said that GK104 wasn't a smaller chip that was clocked to the nines to become the new flagship but that was Nvidia's decision and had nothing to do with AMD...

There's proof of GTX 680 being called a GTX 670Ti Majin. alatar is not BS'ing. GK100 being scrapped had nothing to do with AMD. GTX 670Ti becoming GTX 680 did.

And Kepler had more functional units as well as fixing texture filtering and mapping (weakness of Fermi, just compare GTX 570 and GTX 480 clock for clock). As well as fixing the broken memory controller in Fermi. It was really broken. Fixing that alone made quite an impact. Look at GTX 650Ti vs GTX 580 and compare the pipelines.

Now compare Titan to a GTX 590 or GTX 580 SLI. There were some huge design wins. Enough to cover up a royal screw up and avoiding another woodscrews fiasco.

This does not say anything about AMD, just shows how unpolished Fermi really was.
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Are there charts with GTX 650ti boost VS HD 7950 at 1080p? Or 1440p?
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There's proof of GTX 680 being called a GTX 670Ti Majin. alatar is not BS'ing. GK100 being scrapped had nothing to do with AMD. GTX 670Ti becoming GTX 680 did.

And Kepler had more functional units as well as fixing texture filtering and mapping (weakness of Fermi, just compare GTX 570 and GTX 480 clock for clock). As well as fixing the broken memory controller in Fermi. It was really broken. Fixing that alone made quite an impact. Look at GTX 650Ti vs GTX 580 and compare the pipelines.

Now compare Titan to a GTX 590 or GTX 580 SLI. There were some huge design wins. Enough to cover up a royal screw up and avoiding another woodscrews fiasco.

This does not say anything about AMD, just shows how unpolished Fermi really was.

Oh please. Now you're basing your theory on leaked naming schemes? There could be a million different marketing reasons why Nvidia decided against calling it the 670Ti in the end. That proves absolutely nothing. And honestly your post makes the Fermi to Kepler transition seem less impressive, not more. All I'm saying is there is no basis in fact that GK100 or 110 were EVER going to become the GTX 680 regardless of what AMD released. Nvidia had to use GK104 for their flagship at the time because that's what they had. The only reason Nvidia guys keep bringing up this fantasy is because it makes them feel better to try and insinuate that AMD is so hopeless that Nvidia can release crap from the dustbin and still compete. The only problem is that its utter nonsense. The 7970 was an impressive upgrade to Cayman and compares well with any generational upgrade that I can think of.

If Nvidia was really laughing so hard at how pathetic the 7970 was when it released how come even now over a year later the Titan is not blowing the doors off of it with GK110? Don't get me wrong, I love my Titans and they absolutely are hands down better cards, but the 7970 was a perfectly adequate release when it debuted and AMD continues to get significant performance out of it to this day...
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Are there charts with GTX 650ti boost VS HD 7950 at 1080p? Or 1440p?

Why? They aren't even close to competing cards... When all cards are overclocked (overclock.net etc) the 7850 is faster than the 650ti boost... The 7870 is certainly faster and the 7950 is in a different league of faster.
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Why? They aren't even close to competing cards... When all cards are overclocked (overclock.net etc) the 7850 is faster than the 650ti boost... The 7870 is certainly faster and the 7950 is in a different league of faster.

I know that, I wanted to see charts. wink.gif
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RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
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WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
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Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
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Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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Intel i7 4930k @ 4.6Ghz Asus Rampage IV Extreme (Koolance Full WB) 2 x GTX 1080ti FE in SLI (EK WATERBLOCK) Corsair Dominator GT 2133 MHz (16GB) 
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3 TB Seagate OCZ Vertex 4 256GB Crucial M4 128GB ADATA SX900 128GB 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
RIVE Koolance Waterblock (VRM and PCH) Feser X-Changer 360 Feser X-Changer 240 Feser X-Changer 480 
CoolingCoolingCoolingOS
WaterCool MoRA3 Pro with Gentle Typhoon 3 x MCP 655 pumps (With EK top...all serial) 2 x EK FC 1080ti Blocks Windows 7 Ultimate x64 
MonitorMonitorKeyboardPower
Asus ROG Swift PG348Q (3440x1440 @100hz) CrossOver 27Q Led-P Logitech G15 EVGA SuperNova 1600T2 (Titanium) 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
Corsair Obsidian Heavily Modded Logitech G700 RocketFish Speed/Control M-audio AV-40 (Logitech G-35) 
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