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I don't know why is everyone so hung up on the GPU. It's not the GPU that's at fault for 'streamlined' games or holding back PC gaming.
    
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Originally Posted by rpsgc View Post

I don't know why is everyone so hung up on the GPU. It's not the GPU that's at fault for 'streamlined' games or holding back PC gaming.

At this point, it's every part in that box that's holding the PC gaming.

That's not the point though.

It just puts more weight on the hypothesis that M$ is more about kinect and their additional services in the next generation, combined with the fact that titles trying to push for 60 fps may be an even harder find than what they are now.
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I disagree. Crysis 2 plays like crap (and I'm assuming crysis 3 but not sure) along on consoles. The fps constantly drops BELOW 30fps completely unplayable. Same thing happens with Halo 4 on occasion and ESPECIALLY WHEN playing multiplayer with split screen. The current gen consoles can't even handle the games that are crafted specifically for their hardware. Many games drop below 30fps on a console and personally 30fps just is not even enough in the first place.....doh.gif
http://www.lensoftruth.com/feature-crysis-2-frame-rate-analysis/


Also my old PC with an 8800gt from 5-6+ years ago can play BF3 at the same resolutions as the console version. There isn't a game I've found yet that my 8800gt can't play (besides the ones that are dx11 only). And it can play crysis 2 just fine at a higher resolution than consoles.

http://www.geforce.com/optimize/guides/crysis-2-benchmarks#6 Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

43fps average with an 8800gt in crysis 2 at 1050P which is much higher than the console version.

Whether you buy a $1k PC now or a $500 console and $500 pc, you will be able to play the latest games down the road. So might as well just go with the PC that can be upgraded if you want cool things that you can't do on a console (3d gaming, surround resolution, custom mods for games, etc.).

Yes there are having a hard time running the newest games which push them to there limits its why the next gen is coming out but for the average consumer which one do you think is better a system that just works or one that they need to tweak or optimize and 30 fps is just fine for most people seeing as tv and moves have been 24 fps for years and just moving to 48 fps with the Hobbit . Both paths have there advantages for easy of use the console wins hand down vs a pc most of the people I have played with on line are computer illiterate which a large chunk of the populous are so the console is just a better idea for them most of the time not say its the better gaming system it just easier for most. In the end it comes down to the user just like the pc most use window because that all they know then some try and learn linux and the some go the apple root but in the end most just wont it to work and do not care that its not as fast or powerful as a good gaming pc. But in the end a debate over which is better is a wast of time it all up to the end user console have there place in the gaming world they helped open it up to the masses which I think is a good thing. biggrin.gif
post #54 of 98
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I don't know why is everyone so hung up on the GPU. It's not the GPU that's at fault for 'streamlined' games or holding back PC gaming.

What is holding back PC gaming is some realism finally hit developers. Look we all here enjoy technology and have pretty solid system, news flash we are the 1%. You want to develop a game you cannot go chasing the latest hardware because most people do not have it and quite frankly cannot afford it. I mean I know people here treat it like it is nothing but for the majority of families dropping $300 on a video card is a fairly big deal and on here we have people treating $1000 video cards like they are candy.

It is easy from the elite box to call the game and say woe is the industry for not worrying about us. But the price for admission to the PC gaming stadium is the same for the cheap seats as the elite box, around $60 for an new game. With this in mind it make sense for the developers to not waste time and resources on putting in features that will require higher end hardware and to spend those resources on deeper storyline, better game play, quality control and so on.

It is not the console or any other reason that is so often given for PC game development to have slowed in terms of using technology. It is simple economics and reality. Watch the gave development curve, you will see the tech used in games curving with the previous generation mainstream cards. (Around the $250) Those cards will not be the high end of the games performance but the game will run solid middle to low of high end detail at that hardware level.

Besides what does the fancy tech get us? Crysis? Seriously, a game that is mediocre at best for actual game play. If they had spent about 30% of the time they spend figuring out how to melt a video card on actually developing the story the game would be been 100% better.
post #55 of 98
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Radeon HD 7790 is better than GTX 560ti and GTX 650ti... So calm down fanboy. If you don't like it then buy a PlayStation 4 that has GPU that is comparable between 7850 and 7870...
fanboy? mr 86 post count, In case you haven't noticed, my last two processors have been AMD, having an Nvidia GPU doesn't make me a fanboy of anything 560ti was simply a better deal on newegg at the time with stock overclock rolleyes.gif

as for consoles i've owned the xbox, xbox 360, ps2 and ps3. so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make
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Radeon HD 7790 is better than GTX 560ti and GTX 650ti... So calm down fanboy. If you don't like it then buy a PlayStation 4 that has GPU that is comparable between 7850 and 7870...
fanboy? mr 86 post count, In case you haven't noticed, my last two processors have been AMD, having an Nvidia GPU doesn't make me a fanboy of anything 560ti was simply a better deal on newegg at the time with stock overclock rolleyes.gif

as for consoles i've owned the xbox, xbox 360, ps2 and ps3. so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make

Tossing out the logical fallacies like there is no tomorrow huh? Low-Level Close to Hardware coding vs API Coding learn it
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For people whining about the GPU I have just one word for you, optimization.
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Some people expect way too much out of a $400 unit. It does what it is priced for, and then some.

I don't know why everytime a "next-gen" console thread is posted, people say "OH MY GTX 7 Bazzillion will smoke that!" Yes and it costed the same amount of the console itself.
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For people whining about the GPU I have just one word for you, optimization.

I agree with you..Crysis 3 is optimized badly and people thinking they need a new gpu...
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Despite direct to metal coding, which so many have pointed out, I feel a 7790 is a bit underwhelming. I realize the strategy and intent of using such a card. But price considerations and "just enough" power are not good enough reasons, to me.

As some have stated, at the time of 360/PS3 release their respective hardware was pretty topnotch. This sort of debunks everyone's argument that it is not realistic to compare X-highend PC to a console. If they put in state of the art tech before, they could do so again. Also in PS3 was a new fangled Blue-Ray player, which were not cheap at the time. Even more tech for the money.

This brings up the issue of production cost. Even a 7850 couldn't cost MS more than ~150-200$ 100$ (7850 2 GB is ~150-185 @Egg) per unit from AMD, considering bulk discounts etc. So a 350-400$ console could easily have something beefier than a 7790. Seems off to me, if true.

Even with direct to hardware coding, they are using "relatively weaker" GPUs this gen than before. For a system that will have a locked down hardware profile, more is better. I would think that by limiting GPU costs up front they are shortening the console lifespan. Which may or may not be a calculated business decision. I don't know.

Regardless of Top End PC specs I am a bit underwhelmed by this. I know it is a huge step up from last gen, and I eagerly await the benefits having such a PC-like console bring to PC gaming (better Ports), but I am still a bit disappointed.



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