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For people whining about the GPU I have just one word for you, optimization.
u cant make miracles out of Optimization, at most u can only get extra 30-50% performance, u wont get a few times of efficiency like some console elitism claim. GTX460 vs console port? Not a chance. They completely forgot that console run on much lower texture detail than the lowest setting on PC, they also run @ 720p @ 30fps.

the PS3/Xbox360 is 6-7years old, back then it was release with a high end GPU, but the same 5yrs old PC with 8800GTX could run any console port @ low detail @ 720p @30fps without problems. Optimization can only get u that far.

With the console like PS4 with a 7850 GPU + a tablet CPU. I think a quad core i5 + a Radeon 7950 will hold all the console port pretty well up for the next 6-7yrs.

People with ridiculous rig like GTX Titan SLI + 3930K can run all console port games @ HD max detail +4K resolution for next 7-10yrs. It may sound very expensive rig, but it last at least 10yrs+ without slow down issue.
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post #62 of 98
Why does the PS4 get something between a 7850-7870 (roughly) and the Xbox 720 is only getting 7790? there will be a gulf between the consoles GPU-wise, just saying...

Then again, PS2 had more games than Xbox 1 despite being the weak one, so whatever.
     
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Regardless of the chip in it, people really underestimate just how much difference software support makes in a game or any other application.

Look at Tesla and Fire Pro compared to their consumer counterparts.
Often they can match or come close to the gaming performance of their less expensive siblings, with about half the cores.
And its all software based.

Lets assume that it is a 7790 in the new Xbox.
If its supported properly by devs I see no reason it cant reach the same levels of performance as whats in the PS4 or even a midrange gaming computer.
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Lets assume that it is a 7790 in the new Xbox.
If its supported properly by devs I see no reason it cant reach the same levels of performance as whats in the PS4 or even a midrange gaming computer.

I think it's safe to assume than the nex XBOX and the PS4 will be able to match a current $800 computer graphically wise.
   
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With almost everyone saying that having x86 architecture on consoles will make ports easier and better, I was thinking would it be much simpler if we just make the console with pc parts and emulate its native OS? Like how games are developed through PCs with mock specs of the console?
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post #66 of 98
I find this rumor amusing, especially when viewed in the light of this slide by AMD:

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I think the next gen consoles will be more than powerful enough for 1080p, which is all that matters until higher resolution HDTVs become affordable. That won't be until at least 2016, if not later.
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I think what people are getting at is that pretty much everyone has a computer and for the most part can probably throw a GPU in there making it cheaper.

I just put together a rig on Newegg and it was with 7850 for $675, that's including the HDD and OS. If you pulled those from your current computer then you save about $160 then $25 in rebates now the cost is down to ~$500 so $100 more than a console. I also just got a credit card that gave $100 cash back on any purchase over $500 but that's not an option for everyone. The GPU also came with Bioshock and Tomb Raider.

The options are there but what it comes down to is that console users don't want to mess with anything, they just want to put in a disk and that's it.
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With almost everyone saying that having x86 architecture on consoles will make ports easier and better, I was thinking would it be much simpler if we just make the console with pc parts and emulate its native OS? Like how games are developed through PCs with mock specs of the console?

Emulating different hardware is complex and slow. Console games are coded specifically for hardware that doesn't change, so you'd have to fake that hardware exactly for the games to work. It would be easier than emulating a PS2/3 (which are very weird by nature) but it still wouldn't be worth doing.
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I think the point that people are missing here is that even if it was the equivalent of the HD7790, its not going to be the exact same chip you can buy down at your local hardware retailer for your PC. There will be special provisions, alterations, and slight architectural differences similar to that of the PS3 vs desktop 7800GTX that will differ the performance.

I think its highly likely that if MS were to use an equivalent of the HD7790 it would be similar to that used in the X360 where by it has two separate dies, one being for the actual GPU and another being for eDRAM which can be dedicated for handling MSAA, texture loading, z-buffering etc. which will help boost performance by reducing load on the GPU and removing latency etc.
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