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Title says it all... I can do either of them on my 670, and I want to know if there would be a performance hit. I heavily mod Skyrim, I like to have closest to 60 fps I can.

Any other game I don't touch graphics, and I will be buying another windforce in the summer.
post #2 of 7
Calculate the number of pixels of each, find the total difference percentage, and apply that to your framerate for an estimated performance difference. There's more to it than that, but I find that little formula is very close almost all of the time.

In my experience, if you get 60fps on 1080p then you will get around 55-58 with 1200p. The difference can be made up for by overclocking, not just the core but also the memory. With Kepler, VRAM OCs will have a very big impact on the performance, more than the 5xx/4xx/2xx cards, due to the 256bit bus. You mention lots of graphic mods, which is exactly where the VRAM OCs will have the biggest impact outside of AA.

I hope that this helps.
   
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Not much of a difference. A 1200p monitor has about 10% more pixels.

Another 670 would be a waste at that resolution at 60 Hz.
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I disagree that it would be a waste, but I would suggest that you address every other possible bottleneck before you go SLI. Specifically, higher speed memory has a very noticeable effect on the minimum framerate of games, something I have found and continue to find in my testing. The effect is magnified with SLI, so I would recommend DDR3-2133 with good timings before I would recommend getting a second card. The game play is just so much smoother and you will immediately notice that the games don't stutter anywhere near like they do with slower memory.
Also, running multiple drives, specifically having separate drives for the OS, for games, for programs you run while playing, and for general storage, has a tangible benefit on the smoothness of not just games but your entire system. I say 2 drives minimum, games always separate from OS.

Only once you have maximized the performance of your current single card system should you add a second, because it can and will magnify any and all shortcomings.
   
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I disagree that it would be a waste, but I would suggest that you address every other possible bottleneck before you go SLI. Specifically, higher speed memory has a very noticeable effect on the minimum framerate of games, something I have found and continue to find in my testing. The effect is magnified with SLI, so I would recommend DDR3-2133 with good timings before I would recommend getting a second card. The game play is just so much smoother and you will immediately notice that the games don't stutter anywhere near like they do with slower memory.
Also, running multiple drives, specifically having separate drives for the OS, for games, for programs you run while playing, and for general storage, has a tangible benefit on the smoothness of not just games but your entire system. I say 2 drives minimum, games always separate from OS.

Only once you have maximized the performance of your current single card system should you add a second, because it can and will magnify any and all shortcomings.
yeah and if you get new memory. Best to get it quickly. Prices are going to increase a lot really soon. They already are. Along with SSDs maybe.

You don't need more drives to separate files. You could set up partitions and it would be the same thing. Except for different read and write speeds depending on the location of the partition.
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Yeh my only bottle neck is my ram. My ssd and HDD are fine, only 8gbs of 1600mhz. Don't get me wrong that's perfectly fine for gaming but since I'm putting more in I need better ram. Vengeance still the way to go?
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yeah and if you get new memory. Best to get it quickly. Prices are going to increase a lot really soon. They already are. Along with SSDs maybe.

You don't need more drives to separate files. You could set up partitions and it would be the same thing. Except for different read and write speeds depending on the location of the partition.

I would disagree, in fact I've found that using multiple partitions can actually HURT performance compared to no partitions when using a single drive, and compared to 2+ drives is noticeably worse still... The reason for having multiple drives, and this applies more to HDD's than it does SSD's, is so that the storage subsystem can service multiple requests in parallel. When you have one drive, the R/W head can only be in one place at a time, so if it has to keep jumping back and forth between a game's files and the OS files it can cause pauses/stuttering; basically every single thing that occurs on the OS level (in the background) while playing a game is subtracting from the amount of attention the game itself can receive. A lot of people like to listen to music via iTunes, Pandora, Rdio, Foobar2000, XBMC, WMC, etc, while playing online games. That adds another entire program that requires sequential and random access, running concurrent to the game program, all while the OS is constantly working in the background.
When you take that one drive and make, let's say 3 partitions of 333GB on a theoretical 1TB single-platter drive, the first for the OS and programs, the second for games, and the third for data, is that the read/write heads actually have to move FURTHER for each different request, because there are likely significant amounts of empty space in each partition. When you don't have everything partitioned and just have it all installed on "C:", the data will start at the outermost edge and run continuously around and in towards the center; assuming that each partition only had 100GB of files on it, that means that the R/W head now only has to cross 1/3 of the surface of the disc at maximum, instead of ~7/9ths of the disc.

But...
When you have fully separate physical disks, you leverage the controller's ability to send commands to each disk simultaneously and at full speed; that means the OS disk has zero effect on the game, so your OS can be randomly seeking small files constantly and it won't cause your gameplay to stutter. Or, you can play music while gaming and the one won't have an effect on the other, i.e. a new track that's located a decent bit away from the prior one coming up won't cause and interference.

The one benefit that partitions do have, in my opinion, is the ability to short-stroke drives without losing the full capacity by simply using the inner 60-85% for static storage, such as the backups you run overnight, files which are never accessed at the same time as those residing on the outer 15-40% of the drive. This gives you the awesome speed boost of short stroking without the total capacity loss downside. It also means that you can use fewer discs while getting performance benefits similar to having more, decreasing costs, noise, cooling needs, and complexity.

I would definitely recommend short-stroking your games drive if you have one, depending on the capacity. Something like a 3TB Seagate Barracuda with the 1TB platters would be an excellent choice for most, as you could short stroke it down to ~600GB and you're only using the outer 20% of each platter! Random AND Sequential speeds increase, and access times get cut by a significant amount.
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Yeh my only bottle neck is my ram. My ssd and HDD are fine, only 8gbs of 1600mhz. Don't get me wrong that's perfectly fine for gaming but since I'm putting more in I need better ram. Vengeance still the way to go?

No, stay away from Corsair memory... IMO, it's junk, overpriced and underperforming.

Instead, look to G.Skill and their Ripjaws Z or Trident X lines, or Mushkin and their Redline or Blackline series. I prefer G.Skill, but I've had nothing but great experience with Mushkin as well.

You can get the Trident X 2400 for relatively cheap, same with the Ripjaws Z 2400. My recommendation would be the Ripjaws Z DDR3-2133 9-11-10-28 kits, which I own and have experimented with extensively, and they are by far one of the most flexible and powerful kits of memory I've used, outperforming the 2-4x pricier Dominator Platinum kits in every way smile.gif
Without even a voltage change, I was able to get them to 2200 9-10-10-27, 2133 9-10-10-26, 2000 9-10-9-25, 1866 8-9-9-24, 1600 7-8-8-21, or 1333 6-8-6-15. This is on my X79 system, which doesn't have nearly as good an IMC as the 3770K, which I can tell you from personal experience will overclock these sticks like mad. I've hit just under 2800 with timings of 11-14-12-34 using a bit of voltage and the winter air, but it was completely stable. I max out at not much above 2400 10-12-11-31 on my 3930K without cranking the voltage like a madman (i.e. that's as high as I can go 24/7/365 stable and comfortable), although there is still room to play with the timings. You can see in my sig what speed I'm running currently.

Considering the cost for a 4x4GB kit was $119 with a 20% discount, I'm absolutely floored!
   
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