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We, at OCN, are in a rush of Nvidia vs AMD these days. rolleyes.gif

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post #32 of 156
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You only need to look at the Titan to answer this... The GPU itself isn't anything more than their normal big die GPGPU that was found in the 280, 285, 480 and the 580. This time it just crushes everything else so they can charge $1000 for it.

They're actually much more in the lead compared to Fermi and Tesla days...

The only reason their cards are priced like they are is because they're selling well.

Thats exactly whats wrong with Titan and why i hate people that bring it up. @ 1K its not part of the normal cards. Nvidia cant afford to sell it @ $500.
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post #33 of 156
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You know I hear this drive complaint all the time from people but over the years I have had more issues with NVidia drivers than with AMD/ATI. In fact over the last couple of years the ONLY driver issues I had with AMD had to do with a post processing issue in Star Trek Online which ended up being an issue due to code nVidia had given Cryptic for the game. Every game I have with that exception has played just fine and with no issues on AMD hardware.

As for cooler and quieter, I guess you are buying the wrong brands for AMD cards. My Sapphire and MSI cards are near silent and super cool, never above about 60C during gaming at the worst on my 7950, even with a good overclock on it. Lots of power? Seriously dude until this round NVidia was the king of energy suck and heat and noise. Now they are just close, my cards sip juice.

I agree... With GCN AMD does not have almost any problems, anyway PC's differ in configuration, many variables like CPU, motherboard and its chipsets and its support. AMD gpu's have superior quality.
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Thats exactly whats wrong with Titan and why i hate people that bring it up. @ 1K its not part of the normal cards. Nvidia cant afford to sell it @ $500.

They can afford to do it, they just don't want to.

If they slapped a normal plastic shroud on it, halved the memory and disabled they compute performance they would be able to afford it. Just like the 480 and the 580. Titan doesn't even have a fully enabled GK110 in it.

GK110 is actually smaller than GT200 was for example. GK110 also released after the 28nm process had already matured.

Please do explain how they couldn't afford it at $500 like they have done for their previous chips of similar size.
 
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Nope, and this is why

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They can afford to do it, they just don't want to.

If they slapped a normal plastic shroud on it, halved the memory and disabled they compute performance they would be able to afford it. Just like the 480 and the 580. Titan doesn't even have a fully enabled GK110 in it.

GK110 is actually smaller than GT200 was for example. GK110 also released after the 28nm process had already matured.

Please do explain how they couldn't afford it at $500 like they have done for their previous chips of similar size.

Titan is just a Showcase card. Its just there to show what Nvidia can do and a bunch of fan can buy. Its like the LFA of Lexus. Its there to make fans feel good when they have a Nvidia GPU,

They can afford for many many reason. If you know anything about GPU pricing you would know why. a GTX Titan @ $500 would destroy Nvidias lineup. GTX670 for $200??
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post #37 of 156
AMD and Nvidia always bounce back and forth with who has the best card on the market. And let's be fair. Nvidia had the better cards at launch. It took AMD alot longer to optimize their drivers to get the performance leap they currently have. In my mind Nvidia costs more but, they have more stable drivers. Granted I used to use AMD mobile cards in my laptop and I had nothing but, headaches with the drivers. I've had not problems since I've gotten my 670 ftw. So no I don't believe they're behind at all.
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Many people always say no problems with AMD. However, the number of game threads over the years that have had issue with AMD drivers is evidence enough they have had issues. There was a time when you could tell someone was running an ATI graphics card just by the problem listed in the thread title. ATI folks use to blame Nvidia for buying out developers and that is why it ran worse.. the problem is that even on non sponsored games they had issues. I still cannot run Gothic 3 without an shadow patch made by users because ATIs shadows were totally hosed up in the game. I still get the bizarre texture AF banding that was built into the 58xx series of hardware. They seem to have improved, but if you read enough websites and threads you will still see people dropping 7950s and 7970s to switch back to Nvidia due to issues.. and fewer switching from Nvidia to ATI. Yes it happens, and yes Nvidia has driver issues.. and yes the tables are turning.. but still.
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Titan is just a Showcase card. Its just there to show what Nvidia can do and a bunch of fan can buy. Its like the LFA of Lexus. Its there to make fans feel good when they have a Nvidia GPU,

They can afford for many many reason. If you know anything about GPU pricing you would know why. a GTX Titan @ $500 would destroy Nvidias lineup. GTX670 for $200??

In other words they can afford if but they wont do it since there's nothing to force the 670 to go down in price.

As a reminder GK104 as a GPU is between the size of GF104 and GF106. The GPUs used in the 460s and 450s/440s. It's making NV a bunch of money and the only reason for it is that they made a huge jump in performance this gen while AMD did not (comparatively).
 
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Many people always say no problems with AMD. However, the number of game threads over the years that have had issue with AMD drivers is evidence enough they have had issues. There was a time when you could tell someone was running an ATI graphics card just by the problem listed in the thread title. ATI folks use to blame Nvidia for buying out developers and that is why it ran worse.. the problem is that even on non sponsored games they had issues. I still cannot run Gothic 3 without an shadow patch made by users because ATIs shadows were totally hosed up in the game. I still get the bizarre texture AF banding that was built into the 58xx series of hardware. They seem to have improved, but if you read enough websites and threads you will still see people dropping 7950s and 7970s to switch back to Nvidia due to issues.. and fewer switching from Nvidia to ATI. Yes it happens, and yes Nvidia has driver issues.. and yes the tables are turning.. but still.

Nvidia does not have any driver problems. Maybe go check the Nvidia section.
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